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Two things I'm most curious about this chapter

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by GilDLax, Aug 5, 2018.

  1. GilDLax Well-Known Member

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    Wait, so did Zolo just really kill several fodders on-screen casually (well, thanks to Hawkins's help but still...)? Whatever happened to ''no one dies on-screen except plot-important moments like Ace and WB'' rule of One Piece? Or will those guys wake up next chapter only being severely wounded? Reminds me of the guy Lucky Roo head-shot in chapter 1 and that Cat-like dude from CP-9 that Lucci Shigan.


    As for Hawkins, how does Hawkins's damage transfer work? Is it:
    -dependent on Hawkins's damage which means the doll will fall out only when Hawkins would otherwise actually die to the attack.
    -the doll has its own fixed limit of the amount of damage it could take (which may happen to be the same as or higher than Hawkins's HP)
    -depends on the person whose life is put into the dolls? So it would be different to make fodders his dolls from making, say, Kaidou and BM whose durability and endurance were off-the-chart, into ones.

    The last seems unlikely cause he did say he could die 10 times. The fodders' HP should be lower than him and hence cannot help him escape death.
     
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    I don't think Zoro killed anyone. maybe the dude that took a slash to the face. but even then, I still have my doubts.

    I don't think a dead doll actually equals death for hawkins, if you know what I mean. Otherwise Kizaru would've killed him multiple times over.

    the slash to the face would've probably made Hawkins hit the floor and be out of commission for the entire arc or at least half of it, but not dead.

    he shouldn't be one of the worst generation if he could be taken out that easily by a fellow supernova, with dolls or without.
     
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    They didn't die
     
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    Nameless fodders die by the hundreds in background though.
    Marineford background armies and Germa 66 vs 10000 fodders for example.

    Only new thing is Zoro doing it too.
     
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    Fodder are not people and exempt from the rule. Nameless characters die everyday B
     
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    I would assume Hawkins can do a few things.

    1. Choose to transfer the damage or not. Its his powers so makes sense he can control it. Although he might have trained it like logias train to have it on by default in case of surprise attacks.

    2. The dolls are probably dependent on the durability/endurance of the person taking the hit. So if the attack is strong enough to knock out whoevers taking the hit then he loses that life. Although it could just be any damage but if thats the case then hawkins would have to be very careful with its use otherwise weak ass attacks would cost him lives that could of been used on actual life threatning ones.

    Oda will explain soon enough how it works.
     
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    I don't think a voodoo magic themed power would take into account "hitpoints" or durability levels.

    Most likely is simply passes on the damage as is to the victim/sacrifice (meaning for Hawkins it's the same but the victim survives or not depending on his durability and the damage passed on). Zoro slash gets transfered to a fodder, fodder dies, if Kaido was the sacrifice instead he would tank it. For Hawkins it is the same, every doll he has lets him pass the damage.
     
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    BUt Hawkins said he could die 10 times. Does he believe fodders' durability and endurance are better than his?
     
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    whether or not you're top tier or fodder a cut to the head is still fucking you up.
     
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    Wouldn't that depend on your durability though?
     
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    900 chapters and you still haven't learned.

    Nobody except Whitebeard dies.
     
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    fodders were able to stab whitebeard.

    Flesh and bone has it's limits.
     
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    Brings up an interesting point, if it's just damage transfer, couldn't you exhaust all of Hawkin's dolls with an onslaught of fast weak attacks? Would solve the whole moral issue of possibly hurting innocents too.
     
  15. GilDLax Well-Known Member

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    WB may just have bad durability. No rule says a top-tier has to be top-tier in every stat.
     
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    WB durability is the best in the series, what are you talking about? :drake
     
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    Durability and endurance are different. He certainly has sick endurance, taking and tanking so many things but durability? Squardo stabbed him LOL. As sweet as piercing a cake. Not even has some sort of ''iron skin'' defense like Tekkai. Unless Squardo is secretly Top Commanders level.
     
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    Luffy made garp bleed with a regular punch.
     
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    There seems to be a few seconds of delay before Hawkins resurrects, as we see in the pause between Zoro cutting him and the fodder dying. All of the damage he takes during that time would probably only exhaust one doll.

    As much as I like Zoro, I don't think that slash would have killed Kaido.
     
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    Kaidou can't really die so we don't know how that checks out just yet.
     
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    Garp totally gave up his defense there and let himself be pummeled because of his sentiment for Luffy and Ace. The context is undisputedly clear.

    But even if it was an actual fight, I don't see how that refutes my point. In that case my answer is the same: then Garp may also just have bad durability.
    Again, being a top-tier or x tier in general doesn't mean all your stats and skills are at that level, it just means your arsenal overall allows you to be ranked there. You can have some stat higher or lower than your overl power level. If you show me BM or Kaidou being hurt by fodders' weapons then sure, because those two are hyped as fuck in toughness and if even they are injured then sure, flesh does have limits.

    Not to mention Rokushiki's Tekkai and CoA Haki.
     
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    So whitebeard (the strongest man in the world) and garp (a pure physical fighter who reached the top with pure physical stats),have bad durability?
     
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  23. GilDLax Well-Known Member

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    Possible, as reasoned in my second and third paragraph. Your question is nothing more than your reluctance to give away benefit of doubt. It's not an actual logical argument.
     
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    If Garp and Whitebeard's durability has to be brought into question.

    The definition you have of durability is rather flawed.
     
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    Flesh and bone may be limited, but haki is there for a reason. Whitebeard was sick and dying.

    As for Garp, he let Luffy's attack connect, so it stands to reason that he wasn't using haki at all.
     
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    zoros casual slices killed them.
    they could only blame themselves for being pathetic
     
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