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Type-Moon/Nasuverse Tier list

Discussion in 'Meta-Battledome' started by ~Greed~, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. ~Greed~ Well-Known Member Advisor

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    God Tier
    ORT
    Type Jupiter
    Type Saturn
    Type Moon (Crimson Moon)/Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg/Archetype Earth/Amaterasu/Ado Edem (situational)
    Six Sisters/Type Pluto//Type Venus/other Types (?)
    Kiara/BB/Origin Servants/Saver Buddha
    Enkidu

    Top Tier

    Meltlilith
    Archer Gilgamesh
    30% Arc (world back up modifier considered)
    Nine Tailed Tamamo
    Primate Murder
    Ruler Jeanne d'Arc
    Launcher Karna
    Passionlip
    Dust of Osiris
    Saber Gawain (Assuming Numeral of the Saint)
    TATARI (Assuming in Misaki, Can otherwise vary)

    High Tier
    Berserker Heracles (Compatibility issues everywhere)
    Saber King Arthur
    Rider Alexander the Great
    Saber Sigurd
    Berserker Lancelot
    Saber Nero

    High-Mid Tier
    Lancer Cu Chulainn
    Saber Mordred
    Rider Medusa
    Archer EMIYA
    Aozaki Aoko/Kishima Kouma
    Sakura Matou (Dark)
    Nrvnqsr Chaos
    Rider Francis Drake

    Mid Tier
    Caster Gilles de Rais
    Lancer Vlad the Impaler (Apocrypha)
    Assassin Li Shu Wen
    Assassin Sasaki Kojiro
    Lancer Diarmuid Ua Duibhne
    Berserker Lu Bu
    Caster Medea
    Lorelei Barthomeloi
    Shirou Emiya (GARm/UBW)
    Lancer Vlad III the Impaler(Extra)
    Caster Tamamo
    Michael Roa Valdamjong
    Berserker Frankenstein's Monster
    Ciel/Void Ryougi/Bazett Fraga McRemitz (level thirty)
    Archer Robin Hood
    Souichirou Kuzuki (Assuming Castah Reinforcement)

    Low-Mid Tier
    True Assassin Hassan
    Assassin Jack the Ripper
    Kotomine (Hero Modo)
    Tohno Shiki
    Nanaya Shiki

    Low Tier
    Aozaki Touko (Suitcase cat)
    Rin w/Zelretch
    Souren Araya (In apartment of doom)
    Kotomine Kirei
    Caster Nursery Rhyme
    Assassin Hassan-i Sabbah
    Tohno Akiha
    Shirou Emiya (Fate)
    Satsuki Yumkizuka
    Cornelius Alba
    Azaka Kokutou
    Rin Tohsaka
    Kiritsugu Emiya

    Bottom Tier
    Asagami Fujino
    Satsuki Kurogiri
    Gun God
    Tokiomi Tohsaka
    Avenger Angra Mainyu
    Irisviel von Einzbern
    Illyasviel von Einzbern
    Lio Shirazumi
    Misaya Ouji
    Kariya Matou
    Zouken Matou
    Mitsuru Kamekura
    Byakuya Matou

    Shit Tier
    Shinji Matou
     
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  2. Xelloss Mazoku Priest Advisor

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    Archer Gilgamesh (He is now Gilgamesh class)
    Launcher Karna
    Rider Alexander the Great
    Berserker Heracles
    Saber Gawain (considering number of the saint up)
    Saber King Arthur
    Caster Nursery Rhyme
    Berserker Lancelot
    Savior Vairocana (didn't seems that impressive to me)
    Caster Tamamo-no-Mae (not that impressive but consider in canon she won the last war on the moon cell)
    Rider Francis Drake (Stat wise... battle wise much less)
    Berserker Lu Bu
    Assassin Li Shu Wen
    Archer Robin Hood
    Lancer C?chulainn
    Lancer C? Chulainn (which is the fate/whatever and extra)
    Lancer Diarmuid Ua Duibhne
    Lancer Vlad III the Impaler (apocrypha)
    Saber Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
    Rider Medusa
    Berserker Arcueid Brunestud
    Archer EMIYA (debatable I would probably tie him with Lancer Diarmuid)
    Lancer Vlad III the Impaler (extra version)
    Caster Gilles de Rais
    Assassin Sasaki Kojirō (rating him low due to his moment restriction)
    Assassin Hassan-i Sabbah
    Avenger Angra Mainyu

    Lancer Elizabeth Bathory (not enough info)
     
  3. ~Greed~ Well-Known Member Advisor

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    Would you mind seperating them into tiers? Like we did with the ToAru Tier List for instance.
     
  4. Kazu Well-Known Member

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    I personally don't think we know enough about castko, nero, and saver to tier them. Castko has witchcraft that she refuses to use, Nero has a psuedo RM that we don't know what it does, and we don't even know what kind of stats or NP saver has.

    Also, EMIYA should be higher. He's good enough that whether or not he wins against Saber depends on his master (assuming no avalon).

    And for most intents and purposes, Kojiro won't be stuck at the gate.

    Robin Hood>Cu?

    Also Fate/Apocrypha
     
  5. Xelloss Mazoku Priest Advisor

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    Thats more due to blackmail about using a similar sword to excalibur and kill Rin and Shirou than beat saber.

    I find emiya to be fine, he isn't really that impressive.

    Robin isn't a servant you can use on direct combat if you want him in direct combat he should be much much lower.

    Still caster pretty much won 1 war so I give her the level. Well if we remove that limitation of Kojiro he should be higher

    I also see we missing
    Medea and True Assassin
     
  6. ~Greed~ Well-Known Member Advisor

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    Added true assassin and medea.

    Could we format it to the form of the tier list for please?


    And get a list for the Humans, Vampires and Types please.
     
  7. Xelloss Mazoku Priest Advisor

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    Not enough time for all that :p plus i want a consensus first.
     
  8. Kazu Well-Known Member

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    Wut?

    I do agree that he's<saber however. Just not that low.

    He probably won't be very high then in for most intents and purposes

    Point conceded

    Being bound to the gate is a PIS weakness. He should be based around him w/o that.

    Medea is confirmed Nasu low tier. But only because everyone has magic resist. She does have some nice hax and good DC.

    True assassin=Hassan
     
  9. Xelloss Mazoku Priest Advisor

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    Well normally I call Hassan the 4th war servant and true assassin the 5th war servant

    Well give me your take on the list :p
     
  10. Kazu Well-Known Member

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    Gilgamesh Tier
    Archer Gilgamesh

    Top Tier
    Launcher Karna
    Saber Gawain
    Berserker Heracles
    Rider Alexander the Great
    Saber King Arthur

    High Tier
    Caster Nursery Rhyme
    Saber Sigurd
    Berserker Lancelot (If he has the right equipment)
    Rider Francis Drake

    Upper-Mid Tier
    Lancer C? Chulainn
    Archer EMIYA
    Rider Medusa
    Rider Achilles (Tentatively)

    Lower-Mid Tier
    Berserker Frankenstein's Monster
    Rider Astolfo
    Assassin Sasaki Kojirō
    Assassin Li Shu Wen
    Lancer Diarmuid Ua Duibhne
    Berserker Lu Bu
    Archer Atlanta
    Saber Mordred

    Low Tier
    Berserker Spartacus
    Berserker Arcueid Brunestud
    Lancer Vlad III the Impaler
    Archer Robin Hood
    True Assassin Hassan
    Assassin Jack the Ripper

    Bottom Tier
    Caster Gilles de Rais
    Assassin Hassan-i Sabbah
    Caster Shakespeare (sorry willy)
    Avenger Angra Mainyu


    Don't know about (ie we don't have enough info)
    Savior Vairocana
    Saber Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
    Caster Tamamo-no-Mae
    Archer Chiron
    Caster Aviceron
    Assassin Semiramis
    Berserker Spartacus
    Ruler Jeanne d'Arc
     
  11. ~Greed~ Well-Known Member Advisor

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    ^That works, thanks.


    Any idea about the DAA's and the humans, as well as for the Combined Tier List that includes humans, DAA's, Types, and Servants?
     
  12. Kazu Well-Known Member

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    Tier List: Humans

    I do have to note that considering that this is the Nasuverse, there's a lot of compatibility clashes, so it's very possible for lower tiers to beat high tiers.

    Top Tier
    Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg
    Ado Edem

    High Tier
    Aozaki Aoko
    Sakura Matou (Dark)
    Bazett Fraga McRemitz.
    Shirou Emiya

    Mid-High Tier
    Souichirou Kuzuki
    Tohno Shiki
    Kotomine Kirei (W/ Command Seals
    Rin Tohsaka
    Souren Araya

    Mid-Low Tier
    Nanaya Shiki
    Kotomine Kirei
    Asagami Fujino
    Kiritsugu Emiya
    Gun God
    Satsuki Kurogiri

    Low Tier
    Tohno Akiha
    Cornelius Alba
    Tokiomi Tohsaka
    Irisviel von Einzbern
    Illyasviel von Einzbern
    Lio Shirazumi

    Bottom Tier
    Azaka Kokutou
    Misaya Ouji
    Kariya Matou
    Zouken Matou
    Mitsuru Kamekura
    Byakuya Matou
    Aoi Tohsaka

    Shit Tier
    Shinji Matou

    Not-enough-info Tier
    Norikata Emiya
    Jinako Karigiri
    Sola-Ui Nuada-Re Sophia-Ri
    Heinrich Zepter
    Nagato Tohsaka.
     
  13. ~Greed~ Well-Known Member Advisor

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    Thank you. That helps a lot.

    Now all that's left is vamps and a complete Tier list with all characters.
     
  14. Kazu Well-Known Member

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    You're welcome. Though, you should wait for people to bring up their points as well.

    I'll do the rest tmrw.
     
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    Wouldn't Bluebeard be higher tiered based off the simple fact that he can essentially summon cthulhu? I mean, Saber had to use her Excalibur to it's fullest extent to beat it.
     
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    I know, I'm just putting the lists in the OP for now, and they an be edited later for the best accuracy once everyone shares their input.
     
  17. Kazu Well-Known Member

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    True. Though, it doesn't have very high stats on paper.

    It has:
    Large Building DC/Strength
    Shit ton of Regen.

    And... that's it. The only reason it was so hard to kill was that there was a lot of shit to get through in order to kill Gilles.
     
  18. Tranquil Fury The Only Thing I know

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    I'll give some input:

    1. Shirou and Shiki are in the same tier, they are equal and the only difference maker between them is if Shirou can trace something big to tilt it in his favor, plus Shirou and Shiki's H4X are different, Shiki is more suited for True Ancestors and Shirou's H4X more for Servants and things that wield traceable equip. Both have good tactics.

    2. Dark Sakura is above any master in the grail War outside Rin with Zeltrech. She is empowered by the grail, can corrupt servants, good regen and invisible numbers style magic.

    3. Rin by herself has no business being in the same tier as Souichirou Kuzuki or Tohno Shiki.

    If you want you could make a Full Potential Rin Tohsaka who'd be Zeltrech level.

    4. Bazett is a Ciel level master with a H4X NP that works on Trump card moves, she is above Shirou(she'd beat him one sidedly as per word of god) but below Dark Sakura. She knows various anti-magus techs and is more experienced than most masters.

    Gave Kiritsugu Saber trouble and is supposed to be comparable to Lancer FSN in speed who was blitzing EMIYA, though in Ireland Lancer Cu Chulainn>Diarmuid.

    Both Lancers are> Archer and Medusa so they should be a tier above.
     
  19. Raidou Kuzunoha Strongest

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    Why is Touko not up there? She can give Aoko one hell of a fight.

    Nero and Tamamo technically have feats from the game. Nero and Tamamo can fight guys like Gawain who supposedly is around Arturia's level (or Lancelots, one or the other). Not to mention Tams is probably the best Caster as far as close quarters combat is concerned since most cases would be fighting at a distance.

    And Savior is strong enough to fight those two and Archer by end game to pose enough as a threat.

    If they lack the in game Servant stats, go by the feats.
     
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    Why is Francis Drake so high? Does she do something in CCC?
     
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    touko can't give Aoko a hell of a fight.

    She can give "shit tier Aoko that don't know jack shit a fight"

    serious Aoko slaughters her without even a wound on her.
     
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    Also word of god says souchirou is the strongest TM guy protag.

    Emiya and Tohno too weak.
     
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    From what i gather, Drake has a Noble Phantasm that's a watered-down version of Ionioi Hetairoi.
    Aside from that, EX-rank Luck and an EX-Rank Parameter skill that allows her to realize the impossible
     
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    There's really not enough known about Francis (Queen Liz) Drake to tier her or really any Extra Servant just yet.

    except that Li Shuwen > all other assassins
     
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    Saviour's NP causes instant death/game over if you ever allow him to execute it.

    Archer as well.
    Though Gawain did not have his "Numeral of the Saint" ability in the final fight. He was pretty much invincible with it.

    She sucks at physical combat though. IIRC, it was remarked that she was probably weaker than the MC.
     
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    yeah, tamamo's cqc is below shit tier

    when not played up for laughs.
     
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    I'm not talking about being able to punch someone in the face although that would be amusing. I'm referring to that she can fight up close as a Caster. Which is rare. And can hold her own without getting annihilated.

    If Madea decided to go up close, she would get her shit wrecked. That is a fact. Hence why she would never fight someone like Saber up close unless she had a plan, otherwise she would be screwed.
     
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    Also why is Ado Edem in the magus tier list?

    He's not a magus
     
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    Magus/Sorcerer/Mystic Eye User/Other humans Tier List:
     
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    Alright then

    Don't see how Zel ranks higher than him though.

    And even if he did it could only be prime Zel

    All old zel does is troll his students and laugh at evil.
     
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