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Type-Moon/Nasuverse Tier list

Discussion in 'Meta-Battledome' started by ~Greed~, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    I dissagree with this mindset. It's virtually the same NP cast by someone that hosts Galahad inside them,someone that Galahad chise so there's no reason why it shouldn't work the same way unless specified.
     
  2. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    So what's your point exactly ?
     
  3. Xhominid The Avaricious

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    Because it wasn't mentioned by anyone until Bedivere told Mash how her NP works off her willpower to it's full potential.
    Otherwise no one, not even Mash, figured that Lord Chaldeas nor Lord Camelot gets more power from the will.
    So Lord Chaldeas =/= Lord Camelot.
     
  4. OneSimpleAnime King of Kaiju

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    B+ is stronger than A rank
     
  5. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    I love it when people put words in my mouth. I never said that they are equall because they aren't...that s clear as day. All i'm saying is that the mechanics they work by should be the same.
     
  6. Xhominid The Avaricious

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    I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth...
    All I was trying to say is that they shouldn't work differently because aren't there NPs that work very differently because of how they are invoked, wouldn't that be the same for Lord Chaldeas and Lord Camelot?
     
  7. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    In sheer power , yes,conceptually , no. Otherwise God Hand would be thrashed by B+ rank shit and Cu would be able to kill him without buffing up with runes.
     
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  8. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    It's not a general rule and it's not like it's specified that L Chaldeas and L Camelot work differently. All it says is that Chaldeas is ranked down compared to Camelot because it's invoked under a flase name. It doesn't mention that they don't work under the same rules...but whatever...we're digressing. It's not even that important to what was discussed before.
     
  9. OneSimpleAnime King of Kaiju

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    I said raw power.... i didnt say anything about conceptual stuff
     
  10. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    That you did but in concordance to what has been discuss previously ..a.k.a the "average" NP classifications , raw power isn't everything as shown by the God Hand example.Context. Bessides, what you said isn't exactly true, A isn't immediately below EX. A+ and A ++ are since we were discussing Gae Bold benefieting from a modifier itself, so if B's. can benefiet from moddifires, so can A's.
     
  11. OneSimpleAnime King of Kaiju

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    Point is the thrown version is supposed to be average, but its power is way above average. A rank are supposed to be top class, conceptual or not
     
  12. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    If we go by the scale and by the fact that the statement was specifically made using the B version ( not the B+) , it is average. Taking other factors into account like moddifiers ,effects like in this case GB's homing effect , then no it's not average at all.
     
  13. OneSimpleAnime King of Kaiju

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    But the B version has a conceptual effect, thrown is always B+
     
  14. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    "That's a serious question. The level of the Noble Phantasm would be B, and ability being represented by numbers would be called an average Noble Phantasm. Broken Phantasm, Barrier of the Wind King (C), Gae Bolg (thrown) (B), that sort."
     
  15. OneSimpleAnime King of Kaiju

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    Ranks can be changed and retconned, its been done plenty of times
     
  16. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    :giogio

    Jesus Christ...that's not the point.
    I don't even know how to answer to this..so i'm gonna stop.
     
  17. OneSimpleAnime King of Kaiju

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    Im saying the statement doesnt apply anymore, unless its being weakened by external factors, thrown Gae Bolg isnt B rank
     
  18. ChaosTheory123 Bored with This

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    Neither are remotely reflective of normal defensive NP as they have a bullshit will power component hyper inflating their potency

    No, it not being directly mentioned in Chaldeas' description doesn't mean its not a part of its functionality as its just Lord Camelot nerfed to hell due to not knowing the true name

    Its the only justification for her blocking Excalibur Morgan in the first place
     
  19. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    Exactly, and for context :
    "Caster: You'll have no choice but to go through with [#willpower:guts] there. But well, from how it looks like to me, you'll be extraordinarily effective against fighting her.

    Caster: That shield won't break. If you were to lose, It'll probably be when you, the one supporting the shield, screw up.

    Caster: If you let go of the shield, The Master behind you would evaporate in a split second.

    Caster: You hear? You don't have to think about winning against the Holy Sword. All you have to think about is protecting your Master."

    Of course, if we've reached the point where we treat mats as absolute gospell and can't make our own conclussions based on context then..man..this hobby has gotten pretty stale and boring.
     
  20. Ultimate Deathsaurer <b>Nightmare of Zi</b>

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    They even added a bit to the OVA where Cu asks Emiya about the fight. Emiya says the clash is a paradox and Cu says when 2 equal things clash the skill of the wielder is the deciding factor. Lord Chaldeas is not normal by any means.
     
  21. GiveRobert20dollars Good and Evil, The War Eternal

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    The willpower component is a factor

    but it's also Possession Inheritance, which Mashu has in the form of Mana Defense from a LostBelt/Top Class Servant and it's basically stated to be able to protect an entire country via sheer magical power.

    Once she gets Lord Camelot it's 100% willpower dependent which is how she was able to withstand AAA even though she ended up eating shit due to the heat.
     
  22. Qinglong Martyrs are the first to Die

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    how to infer from context: handholding edition
     
  23. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    @Ultimate Deathsaurer
    Apparently, Karna lost to Cu Alter in his new interlude, because GB fucks over his armor :maybe
     
  24. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    Not surprising considering it did so once before. But it's nice that we have another confirmation that Cu can throw down with people of that stature without having to shank them from behind this time around.
    He also did that while being poisoned by Semiramis and Robin Hood who got killed by him.
     
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  25. OneSimpleAnime King of Kaiju

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    Did Cu use Currid too or just GB
     
  26. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    Apparently he used it to beat Salter and Herk and he managed to take 5 lives from Herk with it or so i understand.
     
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  27. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Apparently, he used Currid to take out Saber Alter and Herc. Not sure about Karna.

    Yeah, unless Mashu is around helping him or the protagonist has bs enhancements, this interlude is pretty bullshit. Mostly the part where Cu Alter is implied to be no stronger than his Lancer version.
     
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  28. Ultimate Deathsaurer <b>Nightmare of Zi</b>

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    That is... weird. Vlad turned him into a pin cushion and Karna just burned all the stakes out of himself.
     
  29. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    It says that Gudako/Gudao uses a Mystic Code to heal Cu so yeah...he had some help.
     
  30. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Well I mean, he survived that and then died to a shank from Sieg. In this fight, Karna also had help from Medb

    I don't understand Karna, tbh. :skully
     
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