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U.S. reimposes tough curbs on Iran, Tehran hits at 'bullying'

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  1. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    The United States imposed strict sanctions on Iran on Monday and threatened more action to stop Tehran pursuing “outlaw” policies, steps the Islamic Republic condemned as economic warfare and vowed to defy.

    The measures are part of a wider effort by U.S. President Donald Trump to curb Tehran’s missile and nuclear programs and diminish the Islamic Republic’s influence in the Middle East.

    “The Iranian regime has a choice: it can either do a 180-degree turn from its outlaw course of action and act like a normal country, or it can see its economy crumble,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told reporters.

    “We hope a new agreement with Iran is possible,” he added. “Rest assured, Iran will never come close to getting a nuclear weapon on President Trump’s watch.” Pompeo said.

    The move restores, and strengthens, sanctions lifted under a 2015 international agreement on Iran’s nuclear program from which Washington withdrew in May.

    In a statement, U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the move “should make clear to the Iranian regime that they will face mounting financial isolation and economic stagnation until they fundamentally change their destabilizing behavior.”

    The sanctions cover 50 Iranian banks and subsidiaries, more than 200 persons and vessels in its shipping sector, and targets Tehran’s national airline, Iran Air, and more than 65 of its aircraft, the statement said.

    In reaction, a senior Iranian official who declined to be identified said Tehran was not concerned about the sanctions and will not yield to pressure to change its policies.

    Hours earlier, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said Iran would to continue to sell its oil despite Washington’s “economic war”. Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said U.S. “bullying” was backfiring by making Washington more isolated, a reference to other world powers opposed to the initiative.

    European powers which continue to back the nuclear deal said they opposed the reapplication of sanctions and major oil buyer China said it regretted the move.

    The move intensifies a campaign by Trump to force Iran to further limit its nuclear work and halt a missile program, as well as end its support for proxy forces in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and other parts of the Middle East.

    Switzerland said it was holding talks with the United States and Iran about launching a humanitarian payment channel to help food and drugs keep flowing to Tehran.

    U.S. sanctions permit trade in humanitarian goods such as food and pharmaceuticals, but measures imposed on banks and trade restrictions could make such items more expensive.

    Pompeo said Washington had granted exemptions to eight countries allowing them to temporarily continue buying Iranian oil. More than 20 countries had already cut their oil imports from Iran, reducing purchases by more than 1 million barrels per day, he said.

    Iran’s clerical rulers dismissed the curbs. “Today the enemy (the United States) is targeting our economy ... the main target of sanctions is our people,” Rouhani said.

    SANCTIONS “ILLEGAL AND UNFAIR”

    “America wanted to cut to zero Iran’s oil sales ... but we will continue to sell our oil ... to break sanctions,” Rouhani told economists, adding the sanctions were illegal and unfair.

    “This is an economic war against Iran ... We are prepared to resist any pressure,” Rouhani said.

    The Belgium-based SWIFT financial messaging service said it is suspending some unspecified Iranian banks’ access to its messaging system in the interests of the stability and integrity of the global financial system.

    Trump announced in May his government was withdrawing from what he called the “worst ever” agreement negotiated by the United States. The other parties to the deal - Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia - say they will not leave.

    The deal had seen most international financial and economic sanctions on Iran lifted in return for Tehran curbing its disputed nuclear activity under U.N. surveillance.

    The European Union, France, Germany and Britain said they regretted the U.S. decision and would seek to protect European companies doing legitimate business with Tehran.

    Diplomats told Reuters last month that a new EU mechanism to facilitate payments for Iranian oil exports should be legally in place by Nov. 4 but not operational until early next year.

    In Jerusalem, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed what he called Trump’s courageous decision in reimposing the sanctions on Iran, an arch-foe of Israel.

    The eight countries given temporary exemptions from the sanctions to ensure crude oil prices are not destabilized will

    deposit Iran’s revenue in an escrow account and the funds will be used for humanitarian purposes, according to U.S. officials.

    OIL PRICES STEADY

    Oil prices rose as the sanctions went into effect, with international benchmark Brent crude up by more than $1 to a session high of $73.92 a barrel. U.S. crude futures were up about one percent at $63.85 a barrel.

    Prices rallied to near four-year highs in early October on expectations the imposition of sanctions would create a global supply shortage. However, news of the waivers last week sent prices lower as top buyers would continue to import Iranian oil.

    Rouhani said even without the waivers Iran would still be able to sell its oil, semi-official Tasnim news agency reported.

    The curbs come as the United States is focused on U.S. congressional and gubernatorial elections on Tuesday. Campaigning in Chattanooga, Tennessee, on Sunday, Trump said his “maximum pressure” against Iran was working.

    “Iran is a much different country than it was when I took office,” said Trump, adding: “They wanted to take over the whole Middle East. Right now they just want to survive.”

    To keep the deal alive, the remaining parties to the Iran accord are trying to maintain trade with Tehran, despite scepticism that this is possible.

     
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  2. Ruthless Tsuchikage Active Member

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    So why should North Korea make deals with America when America shows that they can end those deals just because one president really didn't like the one that came before him?
     
  3. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Countries currently under U.S. sanctions
    Since year...

    1. North Korea (1950)
    2. Cuba (1958)
    3. Iran (1979)
    4. Syria (1986)
    5. Sudan (1993)
    6. Venezuela (2018)

     
  4. Amol Chief of Wisdom

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    Trump had threatened to sanction India for buying oil from Iran. India more or less told Trump to fuck off and then Trump took U-turn telling that he has no problem in India buying oil from Iran.
    Though he made his displeasure clear by refusing to come to India on 26th Jan India's Republic Day.
    Contrary to what Trump may believe that actually made lot of Indians happy as most of the Indians see him as anti-india guy.
    Hopefully Modi finds better alternative as guest for Republic Day.
     
  5. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    The cynicism never ceases to amaze.

    * We can be buddies with Saudi Arabia but not Iran. (Both Islamists)

    * We can be buddies with Vietnam but not Cuba. (Both Communists)
     
  6. Prince Vegeta I cast aside nothing

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    hopefully these sancation will make the people of Iran rise up against their government and bring a change.
     
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  7. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Worked so well in 2009...
     
  8. Prince Vegeta I cast aside nothing

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    I mean I'm satisfied if these sanctions lead to a U.S Iran war.
     
  9. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    You've seemed like a pretty devout Muslim in other threads, so what's your issue with Iran?

    Is it that they're Shias?
     
  10. Prince Vegeta I cast aside nothing

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    they're against a kurdish independent state and hang kurds in iran very often.




    and this was a kurdish leader they hanged many years ago.






    they also helped the iraqi army take Kirkuk and some other kurdish areas from the kurdish government

    the list goes on.
     
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  11. Inuhanyou Will of the Goddess

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    This is clearly Bolton's bullshit, no other stink smells like this one

    It just matters when its convenient allies. Its especially worse with saudi arabia considering their blatant anti human rights accord. Iran is like a shining beacon of light compared to them.I feel like the positions should be switched, but its cause they dont want anything to do with us due to us displacing their government in the 60s that casting them as the enemy is so easy by the goverment.

    Again, Iran aint perfect, but we arent either, neither are most of the bigger allies we ally ourselves with. Atleast don't try to make it so obvious we're blatantly supporting the same people we claim we stand against just cause "America"
     
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    Do you realize that there will be consequences for the US unilateral war on Iran, including sanctions from the UN and other governments? I don't see anyone joining the cause other than Saudi Arabia. It would be a diplomatic nightmare, worse even than Iraq.
     
  13. Prince Vegeta I cast aside nothing

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    It's inevitable though sooner or later it will happen.

    It's only a matter of time
     
  14. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    I think Iran will last longer than Saudi Arabia, simply because prior to the discovery of oil Persia was already a great power, whereas SA was just the world's biggest sandbox which happened to have Mecca in it.

    So reasonably Iran has more of a diverse economy and urban culture to fall back on if oil revenue dries up, whereas SA would have to go back to living in tents.

    Quick look at the World Bank says oil income accounts for 26% of Saudi Arabia's GDP, but 13% of Iran's. So SA is twice as reliant on oil as Iran is.
     
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    Also Saudi Arabia is fascinatingly enough a pre-Nationalist feudal society where citizens are defined by their allegiance to the royal al-Saud family, who have appropriately put their name in the name of the country. If the al-Saud dynasty was to go extinct there would be nothing to distinguish the Saudis from other Gulf Arabs, and the whole government infrastructure might collapse since all key positions are staffed by hereditary princes.

    Whereas Iran is a nation that has a developed sense of "Persianness" and solidarity that extends beyond just allegiance to the ruler.
     
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    Well hopefully it won’t pass Congress.
     
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  17. wibisana still newbie

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    Everyone in Arab world + Muslim world such as Paki, Malaysia, Indonesia is agaisnt Kurdistan. Main reason is ignorant also they would accuse it is Jew's thing to destabilise muslim world.
     
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    Didn't know malaysia and Indonesia were against kurdistan. Theyre too far away and irrelevant.

    But yeah iran iraq turkey syria theyre all against kurds.
     
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    They seems dont care because it is not happening but some my friend aware of the movement and because Israel support the cause they jump to the conclusion that this is a plot by them to divide more to muslim world.

    Also Our mind/way of thoughts is simply different than others.
    I mean whole Nationalism the govt taught us gave bad side effect such as tend hate rebels from same religion. I.e. if you are ruled by same religion and same culture group you should be happy enough to be ruled under them. They seems ignorant/or simply ignore about persecution and oppresion agaisnt minority in this case Kurd.
     
  20. Prince Vegeta I cast aside nothing

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    That's them being stupid

    Arabs do business with israel so why are they okay with that isn't jewish money "haram"?
     
  21. wibisana still newbie

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    We do too (not officialy we use some 3rd party company)

    That what matter (the facade).

    I think we had discussion few months ago. Bringing Israel in this will only add more opponent to Kurd independence. Because the one didnt care like Malaysia and Indonesia become care in wrong way. Tho i dont think they will fly to there as much as we fly to syria and fight witb ISIS.
     
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  23. Darkmatter Lion's Sin of Pride

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    To be fair, Trump is right when he says Sanctions are Coming.
    They're coming for him that is. :skully
     
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    India, China among eight countries exempt from US sanctions on Iran oil

    NEW DELHI: The US has allowed India and seven other countries to temporarily keep buying Iranian crude oil despite sanctions against Tehran, calming fears of a possible jump in fuel prices if supplies from the Opec country were completely choked.

    Top buyers of Iranian crude India and China, along with South Korea, Japan, Italy, Turkey, Greece and Taiwan were exempted from sanctions, which the US has re-imposed, US secretary of state Mike Pompeo said on Monday. He warned those without a waiver of “swift, severe penalties” for engaging in trade with the Islamic republic.

    Last Thursday, ET was the first to report that India and the US had reached a broad understanding that would allow New Delhi to keep buying Iranian crude oil, although at lower levels than last year.

    There wasn’t much information on how much and for how long each country could import oil from Iran. Continued import would mainly benefit state refiners such as Indian OilNSE 1.16 % and Mangalore Refinery and Petrochemicals, the biggest importer of Iranian oil.

    Any supply disruption due to Iran sanctions was never India’s concern. The government, however, had been seriously worried about prices, which was zooming on fears that the Iran sanction would take away serious supply out of the market. An international price spike had kept local fuel prices at record levels for months, triggering public frustration, which could turn into a big political liability for the ruling party in an election year.

    Brent crude had risen to $85 a barrel last month but fell gradually to about $73 as the market expected the US to exempt major buyers of Iranian crude to keep importing for some time. On Monday, Brent crude gained about a dollar to touch $73.92 a barrel.

    Vowing “swift, severe penalties” to those caught violating sanctions, Pompeo said the US pressure campaign has cost Iran $2.5 billion in oil revenue since May. Pompeo said the waivers were only temporary measures to ease their transition from Iranian crude and avoid destabilising the energy market. But Iranian leadership, which vowed to fight sanctions on Monday, saw this as a victory for their country.

    “That the US is forced to exempt eight nations from sanctions on oil sales, when it had previously said it wants to cut Iran’s oil sales to zero, isn’t that a sign of Iran’s victory and the US backing off,” Iran President Hassan Rouhani said. The sanctions cover 50 Iranian banks and subsidiaries, more than 200 people and vessels in its shipping sector, and targets Tehran’s national airline, Iran Air, and more than 65 of its aircraft, the statement said.

     
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  26. wibisana still newbie

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    This dude is stupid beyond believe
     
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    This must have been a political stunt just to rally up his voters.
     
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    But it seems this exemption is temporary :tomasulk
     
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    Ugghhh...And Americans wonder why other countries HATE the US!

    The US drags other countries to follow its own international policy despite being independent countries and unethical, and Iran has kept its end of the deal (Trump is only backing out because he still pissed about the 1979 US embassy fiasco and because Obama helped crafted that deal).

    Latin America knows this well!

    If other countries try to do that toward the US, Americans would be crying and making a scene.
     
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