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Unresticted Tier List Construction Thread

Discussion in 'Konoha Training Grounds' started by Kinjishi, Jan 14, 2016.

  1. Sloth You're not alone.

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    Ha, I forgot that I never posted in this thread; so i never got any alerts for it. I thought the KC had been completely dead for over a week.
     
  2. KyuubiFan Active Member

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    Sloth is living up to his name :lmao
     
  3. Sloth You're not alone.

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    The name has never just been for show, I assure you.

    Speaking of sloth-like behavior, someone summarize the current state of this thread for me; 3 pages is too much work. :catprone
     
  4. Kinjishi Active Member

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    Minato. Does he need more restrictions? I have this version pegged at 82 points (top-tier).

     
  5. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    He shouldn't get Gamayu Enden cause he has no feats for Katon. Unless we decided people can use elements they have in the dB. and chakra arms with FTG just seems like too much, especially when he can make the amount he can. Nagato can only absorb so many, Goodbye all Susanoo's, Sensing (both regular from Base Minato, and intent from Kyuubi) with FTG arms counters all underground, and hiding nonsense, and he's already lol boosted beyond his regular speed with KCM benefits.

    I don't see how anyone without Hashi's Mokuton, BM Modes, or PS can really win. Nagato would have to CST off bat, and even then Minato has KCM dura added now.

    I'd say remove the arms.
     
  6. Kinjishi Active Member

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    They're Gamabunta's feats. If you pair Minato with someone who can use basic Katon then Gamabunta should be able to combo with that other character.

    We'll probably end up removing Kyuubi Mode. I just wanted to see other people's opinions. Minato gave his half of the Kyuubi's chakra to Naruto anyway, so he should no longer be able to use these transformations.
     
  7. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    Gamabunta's feat is using the Oil to amp up a regular ol' Katon. Minato has no feats w/ Katon. Which is why I asked if we're giving people ambiguous jutsu with natures they are said to be able to use. That's a different story then.

    It isn't something like Gama's Suiton which he uses himself.
     
  8. Big Mom The Sweet Tooth Yonkou

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    Minato having both Sage Mode and Kyuubi Mode? One of them should be restricted, particularly Kyuubi Mode.

    But if we ban Kyuubi mode, does Minato still get access to Kyuubi level reserves of chakra? And even Sage Mode I find to be overpowered for Minato, but at least that is something he had when he was alive. But even if one manages to dodge Minato's attacks, Frog Kata will destroy them. Powerful, but good for an unrestricted.

    So yes, ban Kyuubi mode.
     
  9. Atlantic Storm Booze Intermission Administrator

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    Sage mode for Minato isn't really that overpowered. He's explicitly said that he's not very good at it, and his feats with senjutsu are... lacklustre, to say the least.
     
  10. KyuubiFan Active Member

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    If Minato is allowed to use KB then he has to move up to the highest tier. Double ranged Shiki Fuuin almost certainly means the enemy loses not one, but two high-value guys.

    Personally I'd restrict SF completely or limit it to the main body of Minato.


    Also, go Gamayu Endan for him, he has shown no Katon ever.
     
  11. Sloth You're not alone.

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    Lackluster? What feats does he even have?
     
  12. Kinjishi Active Member

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    Getting his arm cut off and his face kicked in.
     
  13. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    It would pretty much be good for a momentary speed boost to his Shushin or movement speed (/durability and other physical stats), or to momentarily enhance his sensing like how Naruto used it to counter Sandaime. I don't see a problem with it, as long as it is made clear that he can't summon Fuka and Shima.
     
  14. Sloth You're not alone.

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    Yeah, that's what I thought. With that being the case, I'm kind of against sage mode entirely; it's just too vague.

    SM is a pretty serious boost, and Minato's will have to be based purely off of power scaling and his comment about being bad at the technique.
     
  15. Kinjishi Active Member

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    At 82 points you may as well let him have it.
     
  16. BringerOfChaos ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    So outlier?
     
  17. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    Not really. The context makes perfect sense: Minato needed extra speed/reactions, and Senjutsu in his Rasengan (which inherently makes it stronger outside of senjutsu being needed to hurt Madara) in order to hurt a top tier.

    Sage mode gives everyone the same physical/chakra buffs and sensing buff.

    We know what it would do to him and have a baseline to compare him to with Naruto and Jiraiya. It just won't be nearly as effective, and banning Shima and Fuka needs to happen because he would be to OP.
     
  18. Kinjishi Active Member

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    Tobi and Tobirama are giving me some difficulty. Particularly Kamui and Edo Tensei. I'd appreciate some opinions.

    For Tobi I was thinking along the lines of no intangibility, can't transport himself or teammates. He can only eject weapons and warp enemies like Kakashi except Tobi is close range instead of long.

    For Tobirama I don't know if we should allow Edo Tensei or ban it. He's never used it, but on the other hand Edo Tensei is almost impossible to pull off in a tournament that it probably doesn't matter.
     
  19. Dr. Leonard Church away fighting dragons

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    Don't think people will really disagree with anything you said, Kinjishi; it makes sense. Ban self-Kamui and Edo Tensei IMO.
     
  20. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    I like your idea for Obito, it works fine. Some may argue for Intang though since you can counter it technically, but I mean Obito was fighting Kakashi, Gai, and KCM Nardo pretty well until Kakashi figured everything out with Kamui. So idk.

    Just ban it for him. We have absolutely no idea who's DNA he would have.
     
  21. Daenerys Stormborn Mother of Dragons Retired Mod

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    I agree with banning ET for Tobirama and intangibility for Tobi.
     
  22. KyuubiFan Active Member

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    Also agreeing with that.
     
  23. Itachі Man of The People

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    Intangibility was allowed all this time? :wha

    Do you take things like speed into account? Like, 'x character is superior to y in terms of speed and reflexes so x will destroy y in CQC'.
     
  24. Dr. White Smell nice? it's Moonflower

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    no lmao. Kin is asking if it should be allowed for this semi unrestricted. Usually Tobi only has mokuton, generic Uchiha shit, and Rinnengan (he only gets chains, and human path though).
     
  25. Kinjishi Active Member

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    Just for reference

     
  26. Reznor Administrator Administrator

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    Might try out Unrestricted Kabuto lol
     
  27. Sloth You're not alone.

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    Let's get this shit started! Sloth is bored!
     
  28. KyuubiFan Active Member

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    We need to figure out the point cap. Last time it was 120 and it was great!

    Oh and is Gai bumped yet?
     
  29. Kinjishi Active Member

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    It was 128 last time.
     
  30. Sloth You're not alone.

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    Does Gai need to be bumped? We aren't giving him 8G are we?
     

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