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Urahara vs Haschwalth (Almighty)

Discussion in 'Bleach' started by Bookworm, Mar 23, 2019.

  1. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    Restrictions: The only schrift HW can use is the Almighty
    Stipulations: Urahara has prep
    Knowledge: Full for Urahara, HW has manga knowledge

    I was wondering, can Urahara's unknown means defeat a limited version of Almighty?
     
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    As far as we know, the only limitation Haschwalt's The Almighty has is that it can't see all the possible futures like Yhwach's. If other than that it works the same then I can't see Urahara beating him.

    Urahara is damn smart and has some pretty broken hax himself, but The Almighty is the most retardedly broken thing in the whole series when it comes to hax. Dunno if there's anything he can come up with considering The Almighty can even undo your death.
     
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    nah.. hasch is too much almighty evolved from 2 to 3 iris after negating ichimonji so hasch should still have the same hax
     
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    Jugram should stomp tbh. No amount of prep and knowledge can measure up to The Almighty and Jugram has far superior stats to boot.
     
  5. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    I don't think HW can do the destroy things in the future thing, otherwise he would have beaten Uryuu easily. Even if he could, he has limited future vision, so the futures he sees may not be the one that he win against Urahara.

    Urahara does have a chance against him. Assuming with Urahara's intelligence it's possible to create the same inventions Mayuri can, Urahara could create the Postcognition Drug used against Hitsugaya. It's possible to control what the opponent is seeing by making them see the past, over and over again, through manipulating their hippocampus.
     
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  6. lol 4th dimension reiatsu Well-Known Member

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    Prediction based on observation is useless against actually seeing the future.
     
  7. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    All Urahara has to do is stop HW's vision.
     
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    I don't think Haschwalth can change the future like Yhwach, so his Almighty isn't as broken.
     
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    Haschwalth sees limited futures. Precognition (a flawed one at that) is inconvenient against a much stronger opponent. Don't see what Base Haschwalth can do against Bankai Urahara who has superior stats and a deadlier power.
     
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    Eh? Since when did Kisuke have superior stats compared to Jugram?
     
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    Since Jugram's best physical showings are blitzing and killing a wounded Bazz-B. None of which compares at all to a poisoned Urahara temporarily surpassing Vollstandig Askin's reactions (Base Askin can react to Yoruichi) and launching him through buildings.
     
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    Haschwalth snapped Fullbring Zangetsu in two with a single attack, that Ichigo is equal or stronger than Urahara.
     
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    Keep telling yourself that. Maybe one day it'll come true.
     
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    I have the manga and to tell me what I need to know.

    We could also bring out the fact Unohana thinks Ichigo at full power could challenge Aizen.

    People has learned nothing from the kid boo fiasco, just because a character shows up after another it doesn't mean it's always stronger.
     
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  15. Daio Well-Known Member

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    And snapping Ichigo's Bankai like a twig. And dominating Uryu who could pierce Ichigo with his arrows. And being Sternritter Grandmaster, putting him above everyone except Yhwach.
     
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    Can't prove his schrift wasn't involved.
    Not impressive in the slightest
    When and why should i think this is impressive?
    Except Haschwalth's title doesn't actually demand this as a requirement. The Stern Ritter believed Gremmy was stronger than him, for one. The second, irrelevant. Haschwalth being the strongest wouldn't translate to his base stats being so high.
     
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    You can't ask me to prove a negative. Prove his Schrift was involved because there is no evidence for the former.

    Uryu downplay?

    When Yhwach, Jugram and Uryu flew up to the Royal Realm and Uryu and Ichigo met. I think inflicting damage on True Shikai Ichigo needs no explanation for why it's a good feat.

    This was more of a supplementive point than anything but the opinion of the Sternritter is pretty irrelevant for a multitude of reasons. They may not have seen Jugram's full power, etc, etc. Plus, Jugram may be a Sternritter but not every Sternritter is a Grandmaster.
     
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    I don't have to prove anything. Haschwalth has a Schrift he can employ at any time and we KNOW it's bullshit hax that can cleave TZ. You are arguing he did this with base stats. Prove it, otherwise it remains ambiguous.

    More like Uryu has shit for feats in the final arc.


    It isn't because Shikai Ichigo is heavily suppressing himself. And Ichigo wasn't even scratched.

    No it actually is relevant. You assume "boss stern ritter = strongest" they clearly don't see it that way, so it definitely is not an absolute rule.
     
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    Does Urahara even have anything on The Balance? Let alone Almighty...
     
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    According to Hashbrown himself; Balance Haschwalth > Almighty Haschwalth
     
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