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Vergo vs Punk Hazard Gear 2/3 Luffy

Who wins?


  • Total voters
    16

YonkoDrippy

Well-Known Member
Luffy wins High Diff at worst. I think Sanji would’ve beaten Vergo extreme diff in Punk Hazard. Sanji wasn’t far from G2/G3 Luffy post-timeskip.
 

Okkutsu

Active Member
Luffy wins High Diff at worst. I think Sanji would’ve beaten Vergo extreme diff in Punk Hazard. Sanji wasn’t far from G2/G3 Luffy post-timeskip.
Vergo was clearly superior to Sanji in their short fight imo. Sure, Sanji was injured but Vergo wasn’t even using his main weapon let alone Full body hardening.
 

Mercurial

Konoha's most skilled shinobi
I think Sanji would’ve beaten Vergo extreme diff in Punk Hazard
But Sanji thinks differently.



And he didn't even know that Vergo was holding back Rokushuki, Bamboo and Full Hody CoA.

Sanji wasn’t far from G2/G3 Luffy post-timeskip.
He was.

Sanji's Diable Jambe was parried by Doflamingo without any need to use CoA.

Rufy's Gear 2 needed Doflamingo to use CoA to parry it.

Do the math.
 

chinesesoccerplayer

Well-Known Member
No way is Vergo pushing him to extreme diff. Elephant gatling, Thor Elephant Gun, Red Hawk, are all going to cause major damage, especially when it’s been made clear that Vergo’s COA is vastly inferior to Mingo’s. Luffy takes it high diff, an argument can probably even be made for mid diff.
 

Okkutsu

Active Member
No way is Vergo pushing him to extreme diff. Elephant gatling, Thor Elephant Gun, Red Hawk, are all going to cause major damage, especially when it’s been made clear that Vergo’s COA is vastly inferior to Mingo’s. Luffy takes it high diff, an argument can probably even be made for mid diff.
Vergo’s CoA completely shits on Doffy’s as far as I’m concerned. Vergo’s hardening was also superior to Luffy’s. I fight between G2/3 Luffy and Vergo would be on the upper end of a high diff with Luffy taking the edge.
 

chinesesoccerplayer

Well-Known Member
Vergo’s CoA completely shits on Doffy’s as far as I’m concerned. Vergo’s hardening was also superior to Luffy’s. I fight between G2/3 Luffy and Vergo would be on the upper end of a high diff with Luffy taking the edge.
Law was able to slice Vergo in half even when Vergo used full body COA. Whereas he couldn’t even come close to cutting Doflamingo.

There’s no debate here. Doflamingo was superior to Vergo in every single way, including COA.
 

Okkutsu

Active Member
Law was able to slice Vergo in half even when Vergo used full body COA. Whereas he couldn’t even come close to cutting Doflamingo.

There’s no debate here. Doflamingo was superior to Vergo in every single way, including COA.
Vergo was sliced in half because of his overconfidence in his own CoA. He thought he could block Law’s slash and payed the price.

On the other hand, Doffy never once blocked Law’s abilities. Re-read Law vs Doffy. Doffy won by parrying, dodging and and overwhelming Law in cqc. He physically overwhelmed Law and was quick enough to dodge his one shot abilities.

Both Vergo and Doffy’s haki weren’t strong enough to block Law’s abilities. Vergo tried to take it head on whereas Doffy was smart enough not to. And Vergo’s hardening had better portrayal than Doffy in the story.
 

chinesesoccerplayer

Well-Known Member
Vergo was sliced in half because of his overconfidence in his own CoA. He thought he could block Law’s slash and payed the price.

On the other hand, Doffy never once blocked Law’s abilities. Re-read Law vs Doffy. Doffy won by parrying, dodging and and overwhelming Law in cqc. He physically overwhelmed Law and was quick enough to dodge his one shot abilities.

Both Vergo and Doffy’s haki weren’t strong enough to block Law’s abilities. Vergo tried to take it head on whereas Doffy was smart enough not to. And Vergo’s hardening had better portrayal than Doffy in the story.
This is all your headcanon. The actual feats that happened on-panel in the manga clearly indicate Doflamingo’s COA is better than Vergo’s.

Also, how the hell does Vergo’s hardening have better portrayal than Doffy’s in the story? Doffy’s COA was good enough to allow him to hold off G4 Luffy for a time. He even used COA to tank a Kong Gun and a Rhino Schneider to the face. None of Vergo’s COA feats come even remotely close to that.

I think you’re buying too much into the hype. Just because Doflamingo praised Vergo’s COA, doesn’t mean Vergo’s COA is actually stronger than his.
 

Okkutsu

Active Member
This is all your headcanon. The actual feats that happened on-panel in the manga clearly indicate Doflamingo’s COA is better than Vergo’s.

Also, how the hell does Vergo’s hardening have better portrayal than Doffy’s in the story? Doffy’s COA was good enough to allow him to hold off G4 Luffy for a time. He even used COA to tank a Kong Gun and a Rhino Schneider to the face. None of Vergo’s COA feats come even remotely close to that.

I think you’re buying too much into the hype. Just because Doflamingo praised Vergo’s COA, doesn’t mean Vergo’s COA is actually stronger than his.
All Doffy did was lessen the damage by hardening up his body. This really isn’t much of a feat because one of the main uses of Haki is defending yourself from such attacks.

Doffy’s haki wasn’t at all that great. This is supported by the fact his hardened hand was bleeding just by grabbing Law’s sword. It doesn’t get any worse than that honestly.

I know this isn’t much proof that Vergo’s haki was greater than Doffy’s, but there really isn’t much in the story that indicates that Doffy’s hardening was superior. And Vergo’s haki seemed much more impressive to me.
 

Corax

Well-Known Member
Luffy high. likely. He has enough speed and haki in G2 to beat Vergo sooner or later. G3 isn't even needed here I think.
 

The crazy hacker

Well-Known Member
Luffy needed G4 for the likes of Doflamingo and for people that are actually close to Luffy like Zoro and maybe law. Not someone who is far weaker than him like vergo.

He wins with high diff.
 

YonkoDrippy

Well-Known Member
But Sanji thinks differently.



And he didn't even know that Vergo was holding back Rokushuki, Bamboo and Full Hody CoA.
And Sanji didn’t even use Spectre or Hell Memories. Sanji still had more up his sleeve too. It wasn’t even shown if Sanji was using Haki during their clash. He most likely would’ve took the win eventually
He was.

Sanji's Diable Jambe was parried by Doflamingo without any need to use CoA.

Rufy's Gear 2 needed Doflamingo to use CoA to parry it.

Do the math.
This doesn’t prove he’s far off from G2/G3. Just proves Luffy is stronger which is obvious.
 

YonkoDrippy

Well-Known Member
Vergo was clearly superior to Sanji in their short fight imo. Sure, Sanji was injured but Vergo wasn’t even using his main weapon let alone Full body hardening.
His Main weapon is a fucking bamboo stick. That wasn’t gonna do anything against Sanji. Full Body is the only problem but Sanji still had Hell Memories and DJ Spectre to use. It wasn’t even stated if Sanji was using Haki or not in their clash
 

Mercurial

Konoha's most skilled shinobi
And Sanji didn’t even use Spectre or Hell Memories. Sanji still had more up his sleeve too. It wasn’t even shown if Sanji was using Haki during their clash.
Spectre, the move that was useless against a casual playing around Doflamingo.
Hell Memories, which was used to defeat weakass Wadatsumi, who is an underling of weakass VanderDecken, and who without ES pills was weaker than even Surume.

Should we think that these moves, that are just stronger version than DJ that Sanji already used, are making Sanji from being unable to damage a CoA less Vergo... to being able to give fatal damage a CoA Vergo? Wow, their multipliers must be x1000 then... didn't expect that.

And... Sanji's featless and hypeless CoA... good. So should we think that it would be enough to not only reach a draw, but even to turn the tables against Vergo. Who is a praised CoA master with hype and feats to back up?
He most likely would’ve took the win eventually
How? He states in his mind that he feels that he would have been in great trouble if they continued to fight, and canonically he couldn't even slightly damage a Vergo who was playing at his own favourite game, and was holding back his style of CoA and bamboo.

You are literally going against both canon manga and common sense.
This doesn’t prove he’s far off from G2/G3. Just proves Luffy is stronger which is obvious.
Doflamingo needed CoA to parry G2 Luffy, while he didn't need CoA to parry DJ Sanji.
CoA >>> non CoA.

Does that not mean that G2/G3 Luffy >>> DJ Sanji?
Then you are suggesting that for the same character, Doflamingo, there's no great difference between powering up himself with CoA or not doing that.
And well, that doesn't make much sense.
 

YonkoDrippy

Well-Known Member
Spectre, the move that was useless against a casual playing around Doflamingo.
Just because it was useless against Doffy doesn’t mean it would be to Vergo. Doffy even said the move was strong.
Hell Memories, which was used to defeat weakass Wadatsumi, who is an underling of weakass VanderDecken, and who without ES pills was weaker than even Surume.
Surume isn’t weak at all. He took attacks from G3 Luffy, Zoro and Sanji and was relatively fine. Wadatsumi being weaker than him isn’t a anti-feat. Prove Vergo wouldn’t be damaged if not defeated by hell memories.
Should we think that these moves, that are just stronger version than DJ that Sanji already used, are making Sanji from being unable to damage a CoA less Vergo... to being able to give fatal damage a CoA Vergo? Wow, their multipliers must be x1000 then... didn't expect that.
Doesn’t need to be 1000 just needs to be x3-5. Vergo was getting outsped by Sanji. And only got the upperhand slightly. A cracked leg is nothing. Ussop had his whole skull shattered in Alabasta and was still able to defeat his opponent. Just cause Sanji had a cracked leg doesn’t mean he wouldve lost
And... Sanji's featless and hypeless CoA... good. So should we think that it would be enough to not only reach a draw, but even to turn the tables against Vergo. Who is a praised CoA master with hype and feats to back up?
Vergo got 1 shot by Law and hurt by Smoker. Sanji would’ve beaten Smoker.
How? He states in his mind that he feels that he would have been in great trouble if they continued to fight, and canonically he couldn't even slightly damage a Vergo who was playing at his own favourite game, and was holding back his style of CoA and bamboo.

You are literally going against both canon manga and common sense.
He would’ve beaten Vergo extreme diff. He most likely would’ve had a Haki bloom mid fight like Luffy did against Katakuri.
Doflamingo needed CoA to parry G2 Luffy, while he didn't need CoA to parry DJ Sanji.
CoA >>> non CoA.

Does that not mean that G2/G3 Luffy >>> DJ Sanji?
Then you are suggesting that for the same character, Doflamingo, there's no great difference between powering up himself with CoA or not doing that.
And well, that doesn't make much sense.
Sanji already shown he has the power to knock out Base Luffy. And that was without his strongest attack. G2/G3 Luffy would beat him but not easily. Sanji was only portrayed far from G4. He’s always been portrayed close to G2/G3 ever since enies Lobby. If he wasn’t he wouldn’t be part of the M3
 

Empathy

Disciple of Thunder
Luffy with high or extreme difficulty at that point. Vergo had Sanji and Smoker beaten, and I don’t think anybody thought Luffy was tiers above them back then before G4 was introduced.
 

Lord Melkor

Well-Known Member
Luffy high difficulty sounds about right, it will take time for him to overwhelm Vergo's tankiness and haki.
 
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