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[Warning Long] Manga Gohan is a CSSB Tier + in the Manga

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by JayDZ3, Sep 8, 2018.

  1. JayDZ3 Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to do a small breakdown on just what a monster Gohan is in the DBS Manga. Gohan's incredible demonstration of power against Kefla but we need to start at the u6 tournament to illustrate what kind of massive gains Gohan has made.


    1. This is the Tournament of Destroyers, Base Cabba = Base Vegeta. Reminder that this Base Vegeta had been training for years after the Buu Saga, trained for months with Whis and then spent 3 years in the ROSAT with goku






    2. About one year after the Tournament of Destroyers, Cabba goes out in search of Caulifla to recruit her for the ToP, Lets assume Cabba is the exact same level now as he was back when he fought Vegeta, Base Caulifla is shown to be > Base Cabba which would make her even stronger than Base Vegeta in the Tournament of Destroyers



    3. In the ToP, Super Saiyan Caulifla is able to damage Final Form Freeza and push him to transform into his Golden Form. This is a final form freeza who is stronger than Final Form Frost who was able to atleast compete with Super Saiyan Goku at the Tournament of Destroyers






    4. This brings us to the other fusee of Kefla, which would be Kale.
    Kale in her base form is stronger than SSJ Caulifla


    SSJ Kale is able to dominate Golden Freeza (who did claim he wasn't serious) and gave CSSB Goku issues with her evergrowing power





    5. This Brings us to Kefla, who Vados clearly states combines Kale's raw power with Caulifla's combat ability. She also speculates that Kefla might be unmatched on the battlefield (atleast compared to suppressed jiren ). Kahseral confirms Vados statement by talking about how her moves are unbelievably better than before. Kefla herself is stunned by her own power






    6. Now Ultimate Gohan is shown to be equal to SS Kefla, who herself admits she was unable to best him and the fight ends in a Double KO as you all know



    All in all, SS Kefla is at bare minimum = Peak Kale in terms of raw power. Any kind of argument that kefla < kale or that kefla was only buu saga vegetto tier is all unsubstantiated garbage.

    Gohan is legitimately blue tier in the manga and this cannot be disputed
     
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  2. Plague Punches People in the Face

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    Which is why he'll be the one to defeat Broly! :ufdup
     
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  3. DlAMONDZ Well-Known Member

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    I see you left out Krillin's statement that completely shits on ur entire thread :tupac

    Manga Gohan isn't blue tier no matter how bad you want to believe he is:camby
     
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  5. JayDZ3 Well-Known Member

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    >bald cuck who can't read god ki

    there's a reason why i didn't bring him up
     
  6. JayDZ3 Well-Known Member

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    Posting buu saga gif

    :camby


    Might as well post namek freeza gif to argue current freeza isn't blue level
     
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    Super Sayajin God >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vegetto SS1>>> Gohan in Battle of gods manga.

    Zamasu Gattai One Shot Goku Vegeta SSG.

    Zamasu Gattai = MSSB.



    Gohan training is Gravity Machine ( no Whis training or God Ki) and Piccolo is MSSB tier ? Bullshit.
     

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  8. JayDZ3 Well-Known Member

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    Yes,

    Gohan doesn't need angel training or meme ki to reach that level. Freeza did it, Kale did it, Gohan did it.
     
  9. DlAMONDZ Well-Known Member

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    Goku couldn't either but he could still tell fusion wouldn't work against Beerus

    You can't ignore it because you don't like it. It's clear authorial intent. Toyo put that line in there because he wanted to let readers know that despite everything Goku is still stronger
     
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    I see you completely disregarded Vados stating Kefla was completely superior to Kale in the manga but you wan't to believe she isn't. Take your L.
     
  11. JayDZ3 Well-Known Member

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    I am 90% sure he was claiming kefla < kale when the manga chapter dropped
     
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    Flutterpiss trying so hard to downplay Chadhan
     
  13. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    He did
    Now he trying so hard to use krillin as if he's valid
     
  14. Fang Titan

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    He did indeed, go check the Gohan vs Kefla manga chapter. :lmao


    I know right?
     
  15. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    This level off denial is straight up sad
     
  16. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Like Goku went blue on her and was getting pressured by her and and unlike the anime Goku isn't popping blue like its Tuesday in the manga unless your worth a damn
    Kale beating up a golden Freeza and whether he was serious or not doesn't change that the bitch got the nigga coughing blood and smacked him around :rotfl
     
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    Was GF spitting blood and teeth from getting smacked by Kale? :lmao
     
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  19. JayDZ3 Well-Known Member

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    Just a reminder, not everything can be taken as "authors intent" especially when its only said once and is contradicted by feats/other statements

    For example, in ch 36, vegeta claimed he was the strongest in all the universes. Are we gonna act like thats true cause "muh authors intent"?

    Fact is Vados and Krillin contradict each other, in which case the more reliable source is the angel who can read god ki and has been observing neutrally since her neck isn't on the line compared to the ningen who can't read god ki, probably can't even see the fights between the top tiers
     
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    What did Krillin exactly say?
     
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    Krillin basically asked "could gohan even surpass goku if he quits his job to keep training"
     
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    This is the only thing I will give this chapter, so yeah I can accept that.
     
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    I'm in denial when nerdhan fans such as yourself are the ones ignoring statements? :tupac


    Goku > Nerdhan as stated by Krillin :Mshad

    If Nerdhan stops being a nerd maybe he could surpass Goku. Maybe :bookerskully

    Kale beating down Frieza doesn't mean shit btw. Frieza was fucking around and not taking her seriously. Which is again, backed up by statements. So Kale being > Frieza is complete and utter false
     
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    Gohan was several times stronger then Goku at age 4 with no training, Krillin is just being a shitter. Goku has always had a hardcapped potential, but his gimmick is that he eventually surpasses his walls. 7 years of training and they are still using 11 year old gohan who had only 4 years of training as a measuring stick. Gohan doesn't have the same limits and walls Goku does.
     
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    When can Krillin sense God Ki...:thunk

    I missed that chapter in the manga. Or is it because it doesn't exist?
     
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    I see nerds are ignoring statements to make their favourite look better again.
     
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    The thing is, Gohan HIMSELF acts as if he's weaker than Goku. He fought Kefla solely so Goku can fight Jiren uninterrupted. It doesn't make any sense but apparently the powers that be want Goku to be the strongest despite not training before this arc.

    I also hate how both versions have "Kale overpowers SSB Goku, b-b-but not really Goku was holding back!" in their story. Man, outside of Goku vs Jiren and the fun stuff other teammates did, the ToP narrative wise is garbage.
     
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    And how strong do you have gohan? ssj god tier?. Btw we do not know to what extent frieza can control his ki so he should be still outputting more ki in his golden form than he can output in his final form thus making ssj kale at least ssj god tier in raw power. Anyway it is unclear how strong gohan is supposed to be, you can scale him anywhere from current super saiyan vegito tier (assuming ssj vegeto is weaker than ssj god goku\vegeta) to ssj blue tier but below goku and vegeta.
     
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    If anything his comment referred to
    I look it as Goku being more skilled as usual and Gohan being humble
    Even then Goku will be>everybody even Vegeta who's his equal in the manga
     
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  30. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Freeza coughing up blood and and getting smacked lick a bitch means nothing
    Damage control is absolutely hilarious from you mutt :hestonpls
    >Frieza holding back
    Headcanon is nice mutt
     
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