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Was Daikaioh the GOAT kai?

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by LuckyDucky, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. LuckyDucky

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    ...'cause the other kais in the ToP sure weren't very impressive or imposing (outside of best kai Gowasu). I assume they are all at the official rank Daikaioh was, but Super muddled up things as far as that goes, what with U6 having two kais observing their tournament and then all universes only having one in the ToP.

    It could be that U7's universe level was high until Moro and Buu came along. It'd be fun to see that brought up again. Although let's be real:

    "Universe level? Did I write something like that?" :torilol

    Anyway, the main topic of discussion here is the title.

    (for non-English speakers, GOAT = greatest of all time)
     
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  2. Pilaf

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    Eh, I don't think he forgot, but he chose to simply show the defacto Supreme Kai from each Universe in the ToP. I assume in most of the high ranking Universes the quadrants are all fully staffed by Kais like u7 used to be. Not sure about the lower ones. Their absence is the type of oversight that would hurt the Mortal Level I feel.
     
  3. Louis-954

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    That was the U6 Kaioshins assistant. The Kibito of his universe, essentially.
     
  4. LuckyDucky

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    Was that actually explained during the U6 arc? They seemed to mirror the Elder Kai and Shin at the time. It was made clear in the English dub, but in the original JP anime he says "are you guys (emphasis on the 's') the kaio of U6?" I feel like it was retconned around the time of ToP, but I could have just been confused.
     
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    Zamasu being able to go toe-to-toe with current SSJ2 Goku means he's probably stronger than Dai Kaioshin ever was, unless I'm missing something here.
     
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    Probably but then again we don’t know where the grand kai stood before sacrificing his god powers to seal Moro magic
     
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    Zamasu was the strongest in Universe 10, a Universe whose main gimmick is strong emotions. Probably one of the worst universe other than Universe 2, interms of power.


    There is nothing stating that other Higher Kais like Universe 1 and Serious Gowasu mop the floor with him. To be honest.
     
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    Yes, you are missing the fact that we don't know where dai kaioshin stood in power before sacrificing most of it.
     
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    Of course, we don't really know, but my best guess is that Zamasu is still stronger than Dai Kaioshin in his prime.
    Obviously. This is all speculation.
     
  10. Fang

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    >Zamasu
    >strongest Kaioshin
    >matched by SS2 Goku
    >same SS2 Goku who wouldn't stand a chance against Kid Buu and was struggling with him as a SS3, who Southern Supreme Kaioshin of universe 7 was able to somewhat fight evenly with

    Universe #10 is full of shitters.
     
  11. MShadows Moderator

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    Well, even though SSG's power was never absorbed in the manga, after three years of training in the ROSAT and a couple more with Whis I think Goku and Vegeta should be at least 3x to 5x stronger than they were in the Buu Saga even in their base and golden forms.

    But regarding present Zamasu in the manga... despite being called the strongest Kaioshin among the twelve universes, he's still fodder. His best feat is outmaneuvering Kibito, who is even worse of a fodder. When it came to his future self, Goku believes SSB is overkill, and then later casually stomps him in just SSG. He even says that Future Trunks is a lot stronger than him, Trunks who caps at SSJ3 tier in the manga. The only danger he posed was due to his magic telekinesis shenanigans.


    The anime gave Zamasu a better portrayal considering his hype as a prodigy among Kaioshin. His present self is able to hold his own against SSJ2 Goku (who by that time would be more than 100x stronger than his BoG SSG self). And his future self although having the advantage of immortality, was still capable of somewhat keeping up with SSB Goku.
     
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    Manga Zamasu is below SSJ3 level, so he’s weaker than South Kaioshin

    Dai Kaioshin in his prime is supposedly on par with/stronger than Beerus. After he lost most of his power, he was weaker than Kid Buu
     
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    Guess the statement refers to "strongest alive". That would make more sense since both South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin are no longer around.
     
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    was the daikaioshin linked with beerus?
    if yes, why didnt beerus do anything?
    now toyo doesnt have the excuse that beerus didnt exist.
     
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    Based on what? That literally hasn't been said or implied anywhere.

    We have absolutely no idea how strong he was prior to losing a chunk of his power.
     
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    Lol will love the retcons and all the mental gymnastics that will follow.
     
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    What do u mean:torilol
     
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    No one before Gohan not being able to lift the Z-sword is starting to get weirder and weirder. Maybe they will go the DBM route, where there was a spell preventing any Kaioshin from lifting it no matter how strong.
     
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    Do you honestly think Toriyama remembers that even for a second? According to Elder Kaioshin Beerus wasn't as scary as Buu and we all know it's bullshit.
     
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    The most punchable face in all of DB

     
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    Probably not, but Toyotaro does. I agree with Elder Kaioshin though. Beerus is pretty brutal, but I don't think he kills other Gods unless they truly deserve it like Zamasu.
     
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    Yeah, Goku holding back. Wouldn't say he held his own either. Goku spanked him.
     
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    south kaioshin is mad overrated, none of the kaioshin could pull the Z sword but a rusty SSJ Gohan could
     
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    Zamasu arc Goku would pound Kid Buu in his Base form, sorry bud. It's a sad false equivalence to lump fucking Buu arc Goku and Zamasu arc Goku together as though they are the same. Like, wow that's amazingly stupid
     
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    Probably some circumstances
     
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    Your post is full of nonsense as usual, neat.
     
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    Toyotaro's saving grace, IMO. He's nowhere near Toriyama's equal as an artist or storyboard guy, but he knows DB like the back of his hand.
     
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    What a great defense. Definitely a coherent, infallible argument. :gabe

    Your argument was extremely laughable in the first place so I shouldn't have even bothered. A Goku who had just come off fodderizing SSJ3 Gotenks in his Base form, is somehow weaker than Kid Buu in SSJ2.
     
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    We get no indication whatsoever that Goku was holding back. You just made that up
     
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    South fighting kid Buu is anime only, the same anime in which Goku did the same in SSJ2. Also saying that Future Trunks arc SSJ2 Goku is weaker than buu saga ssj3 is ridiculous
     
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