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Was Tsunade being the strongest kunoichi retconned?

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Skilatry, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. Skilatry Well-Known Member

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    The same way Hiruzen being the God of Shinobi was (supposedly) retconned?
     
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  2. FlamingRain Living Legend Moderator

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    No. Only Sakura is stronger than her and she reached her peak afterwards.

    Kaguya's not a kunoichi.
     
  3. BlackHeartedImp Well-Known Member

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    I can't think of a kunoichi stronger than her before the endgame of Naruto :thunk

    Sakura was still just Tsunade-lite.
    Kaguya isn't a kunoichi.
    Chiyo could never beat her
    Mei wasn't spectacular.

    Konan may give her a run for her money, but that's matchup issues rather than a difference in overall strength. Plus, Konan was a rogue.
     
  4. Speedyamell Lions don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep

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    Nope.
    Being the only female that is a senju,the hokage & a sannin.
    Its sth that was always there.
    Even sakura who surpassed her did it by advancing her(tsunade's) techs so...

    Although regarding the new gen,the new tsushikage might be
     
  5. Maverick04 Out of touch

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    I dont think so..Among the females, she was probably the strongest during the Naruto series..Mei however is a close contender..I can see their fight going either way just because of the range of her jutsus
     
  6. Djomla Student

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    Only if Orochimaru is part female.
     
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  7. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    Kushina has an extremely strong case for her, same for mito.

    Kushina had chakra chains that can easily hold down the full damn kyuubi while she was literally dying, her chakra chains get their potency directly from her vitality which was massively weakened via her terrible state of getting her bijuu ripped out after child birth. At her peak her chains would be much stronger. Her chains are fast enough to near blitz full kurama which is atleast at sm narutos level in speed.[yang kurama pressuring him in cqc]. The very fact that she is able to easily disable ps level avatars while on her deathbed while also having barriers that can contain the kyuubi in my opinion easily places her above tsunade. Keep in mind karins abilities were considered a mere pale imitation to kushinas and she near oneshotted the wooden buudha that was holding back the gokage with her chains and could heal mortal injuries [her whole torse impaled easily].

    Mito had some degree of control over kurama as she had emotion sensing same as kcm naruto and had similar abiilities to kushina being a full uzumaki on top of having a chakra seal.
     
  8. Architect of the Works of Beauty

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    Was she ever called the strongest kunoichi, luke not just physically, but overall?
    Anyway, Konan with preparation is stronger and Mei seems to be stronger too.
     
  9. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    Kushina and Kurotsuchi could be contenders for her position.
     
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    No, because the others hardly impressive in comparison.
     
  11. Bonly Genjutsu Master

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    Nope or at least not until Sakura was an adult
     
  12. Isaiah13000 Number XIII

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    No, only Sakura surpassed her upon becoming an adult. None of the other kunoichi compare to her.
     
  13. LostSelf Forest Sage Moderator

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    Nope. At best Mei could reach it but even her is not an indication to say the title was retconned.
     
  14. Mindovin Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying Mei able to defeat Tsunade or not but Mei hard counter Tsunade who mainly H2H fighter with Lava Release and Boil Release.
     
  15. savior2005 Well-Known Member

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    The only other 2 candidates are Mei and Konan.
    Mei is a fellow kage, but never received nearly as much hype as Tsunade, so I'd favor Tsunade.
    Konan is a rogue ninja so she wouldn't have a reputation like Tsunade/Mei and Konan also sorta counters Tsunade pretty well, but I think Tsunade would find a way to win. Tsunade is on a higher tier than Konan, but Konan would give Tsunade a fight due to matchup style
     
  16. DaVizWiz Well-Known Member

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    I don't know why this is a question.

    The only female in the village's history to even be capable of challenging Tsunade's power was Kushina, who was dead before Tsunade was even a character introduced, and a Jinchuriki locked behind Konoha's walls for all of her "career" (which basically ended the day she became the Jinchuriki).

    Prior to Tsunade's hype being introduced (by shinobi like Shikaku) it's likely Kushina the character wasn't even thought of by the author at the time.

    The other kage level females include Konan who was one paneled by Tsunade's teammate (Base Jiraiya) and Mei who was clearly displayed as inferior to Tsunade in the War (both against Madara, and against Shinju [Where Tsunade healed/empowered an army]).

    Sakura surpasses her down the line, but she's simply a clone of Tsunade who poured all of her wisdom and power into her. Without her teachings she'd of been a Jounin level at best, she possesses no where near the natural talent Tsunade did, proof in the fact that as an adult she still hasn't improved on her techniques, or created any original powers for herself.

    Basically no different than Rock Lee to Gai, who likely will surpass/already has surpassed him by basically copying his master's techniques, and virtually everything about him (style, personality, work ethic), just like Sakura to Tsunade.
     
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  17. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    Umm hashirama was dead before tsunade was a ninja dosent mean he isnt stronger. Kushina is capable of far more then tsunade at a far higher level of opponent [kyuubii/ps level characters] if we are talking about battle scenarios.
     
  18. Matto Chosen One

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    But we don't know how Kushina's power translates to ninja-on-ninja battles, or general use on the battlefield. In addition to being a powerful Kage-level combatant in her own right, Tsunade excels in team battles. In fact, Tsunade was credited with Konoha's victory in the Second Shinobi War.

    Karin destroyed the Mini Buddha with Chakra Chains, but was portrayed as much, much weaker than Orochimaru, Tsunade's counter part. So, Kushina's powers don't necessarily mean she would be above Tsunade in battle or overall.
     
  19. cringe lord Banned

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    Kunoichi definition - A kunoichi is a female ninja or practitioner of ninjutsu.

    so yes Kaguya is the strongest kunoichi
     
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  20. wooly Eullerex BTW, Izanagi is a ninjutsu; chidori is a nin-taijutsu

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    :amuse Top 10 Kunoichi in Shippuden....

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    7. Tsunade
    8. Mei
    9. Chiyo
    0. Konan

    ...umm, yeah...
     
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  21. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    The reason karin was portrayed much weaker was because she couldnt even manifest her chains until the buudha battle and has almost zero control over them before that her only offense was ...her base punch...later though the very reason her power was shown was to reference kushinas power which even when destroying the buudha [holding back the gokage ] was said to be much weaker then kushinas, even then she had zero experience and control of her chains. The fact that kushina can blitz kurama with her chains before he can react means she can catch just about any mid kage ninja. Yang kurama alone could pressure war arc sm naruto with his speed, and even when her vitality was an all time low[source of chains strength] and she was dying she was able to completely subdue full kurama, meaning if she catches any kage level ninja with her chains they have ripped apart no problem, and she already landed them on a sm level speed tier character before he could react even though kurama had sensing.
     
  22. DaVizWiz Well-Known Member

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    Hashirama was a man, ergo he isn't factored into the best female debate.

    You argue Kushina was stronger.. Kushina was already dead before Tsunade received her best female ninja hype so she's irrelevant to this discussion.

    Tsunade was considered the best female ninja around. When that hype was introduced Kushina was already dead for 13 years.

    Let's consider accomplishments...
    • Tsunade completed over 1,000 missions. Kushina - 0 completed missions because she was brought to the village as the Jinchuriki as a child and locked behind village walls.
    • Tsunade is heavily credited with the victory of an entire Great Shinobi War - Kushina isn't even credited with winning a single battle.
    • Tsunade is the 5th Hokage - Kushina the 4th Hokage's fuck buddy.
    • Tsunade saved thousands in the village from Pain's Attack - Kushina saved her one son which Tsunade also saved several times.
    • Tsunade fought against, and survived a battle with an immortal tireless Rinnegan Uchiha Madara. Kushina "fought" Kurama after the entire village beat on him.
    Let's consider techniques:
    • Tsunade has top tier strength/taijutsu, medical ninjutsu, and army / [Immense Network Healing] village protection/empowerment support abilities.
    • Kushina has a total of one technique that's inferior to Gedo Chains, and a suicide sealing technique which is OOC 99.9% of the time.

    If we go into hype... it'll be a blowout beyond repair. Kushina has no hype at all, Tsunade has legendary in her basic reputation title and is commonly placed among the likes of Orochimaru and Jiraiya in power.
     
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  23. Silnaem This Time is not Ours to save

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    Physically? She definitely is

    Overall? She's noteworthy but no cigar
    Konan is a entire tier above her
    Mei is only below her (slightly) because of Katsuyu
    Chiyo has better feats against Hanzo (surviving solo, multiple times) and would demolish her in a fight, but Katsuyu . . .
    There is also Guren from the anime, who also a tier above her.
     
  24. Ruthless Tsuchikage Well-Known Member

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    There are a few things to consider.

    Tsunade holding the title of strongest Kunoichi doesn't have to mean much. Konan can't possible be a competition for her in that battle because the world barely knows Konan exists. Kushina might be stronger than Tsunade but with her war exploits and being the pupil of the Hokage its not hard to see why Tsunade would be more famous, especially with Kushina being dead and seeming like a less active ninja when still alive. Mei too is implied to be a relative newbie at the time of the Kage summit.
     
  25. Eliyua23 Well-Known Member

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    Kushina and Mito were more than likely stronger than Tsunade being containers for the 9 tails , and with Kushina having enough skill with Uzumaki seals to teach them to Minato and we know for a fact she at one time completed a Bijuu Bomb as Minato got the idea of the Rasengan watching her fight , but the problem with Kushina was that because she was the host for Kurama she was probably unable to reach her potential as a Shinobi due to the higher ups being afraid of her being targeted from other villages and also Kurama taking over and rampaging the village if she loses control in a fight so that probably negated some of her potential as a kunochi and really proving herself on the battlefield but as far as possessing power Naruto who had SM and had taken the 9 tails chakra still felt Kushina was impressive enough that he still had room to surpass her in the future but Tsunade was the overall more talented capable ninja due to actually having more experience going out on missions and learning ninjutsu.
     
  26. Takaya Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Mei is like twenty years Tsunade's junior, too, and grew up in Kiri at a point where it... might not have been wise for her to show off her abilities too much? So it's entirely possible that her strength has only recently been shown.

    Tsunade has more battles and more achievements under her belt, so she gets a lot more fame.
     
  27. Sequester Not the hero The Alley needs, but the hero The Alley deserves

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    I always believed she was just the most popular.
     
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