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Were the Vinsmokes wasted?

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by MYJC, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. MYJC Cunning Linguist

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    Personally I have mixed feelings.

    I was glad to get some more backstory about Sanji after all these years, and his family is interesting. Especially enjoyed the flashback as well, even if it was ridiculously depressing. Definitely gave Sanji himself more depth and it explained why he loved cooking so much as well as how he ended up on the orbit.


    But as far as the current story, the Vinsmokes (aside from Reiju) didn't really do much other than be generic assholes, and then help the Straw Hats get away at the end. Sanji's dad is just kind of a jerk for no reason and doesn't get too much character development. And Sanji's brothers are all just arrogant jerkasses and there's not much more to them. Explaining it as part of their genetics doesn't really change that they're kind of flat as characters.

    I'm also kind of disappointed that we never really saw the Vinsmokes get what they deserved. Spent most of the arc waiting for some payoff where Sanji (and maybe the other Straw Hats) completely wreck the Vinsmokes in a fight and maybe even take down their country. But...sadly it never happened and the Vinsmokes were never brought to justice. Helping against Big Mom doesn't even begin to justify all the other terrible things they have done (and will probably keep doing) so I was really annoyed that they got off scot-free.


    Agree/disagree? Were the Vinsmokes well used or did you expect more?
     
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    Nah, not really.
    Like any other characters they will show up again later on. Maybe. Or at least mentioned.

    Thought it made sense for them to appear for one arc that focused around Sanji and Judge wanting to expand the Germa kingdom with Big Mom. They don’t have that much of a role besides being side villains or whatever you call them.

    They’ve done their part already and I think we already got to know a lot about them.
     
  3. Soca The Mud and the Oil Super Moderator

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    I was expecting a lot more developments for their scientific knowledge but we didn't get a lot except for the clones and their suits.
     
  4. PureWIN Mr. Prince

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    I was fine by their flat characterization as they were literally designed to be flat humans. What annoyed me the most was the fact Sanji never got an opportunity to be triumphant over them and prove he was no longer a weakling. Even the last scene with Judge involved him asking Luffy why he sails with Sanji and Luffy not bothering to point out Sanji is the future PK's crew's #2 fighter. Incredibly frustrating.
     
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  5. Shrike Let's Baby

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    They werent an entirely bad idea, but like most characters in wci, they were mishandled. Badly. I will write more tomorrow hopefully.
     
  6. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    For a short time i thought these niggas were going to be bad ass assassians like in HXH :skully

    I was wrong
     
  7. Daisuke Jigen Blue Jacket

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    Yes. I was expecting some more effort/detail to be put into his family, but instead we got a band of evil generic Power Ranger wannabes.
     
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  8. Shrike Let's Baby

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    I know this will sound weird, but I think that evil power rangers are more in line with Odas style than some real badass assassins. One piece was always making a parody of things (raizo etc) and this design seems ridiculously stupid but think about it - any other design and they would be too... serious for this manga. Remember the bros heart shaped eyes gag (sanji style) once they saw nami? It simply works and brings the comedy that is expected of op. So I have to say that it was at least consistent with the mangas spirit.
     
  9. Neo Arcadia puru puru

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    He's more like #5 at this point.
    #1 Zoro
    #2 Jinbe
    #3 Franky
    #4 Brook
    Sanji's "raid suit" is nothing but a bunch of confetti and a doodle of Niji flipping the bird, by the way.
     
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  10. Sequester Most Prolific Catfish of the Four Kingdoms

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    Yes they were horrible and I would rather have never known Sanji's origins than to have been subjected to that backstory.
     
  11. X18999 Space Colony

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    Wouldn't be surprised if it was one of Reiju's spares.
     
  12. Kishido Legend

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    I think you haven’t got the point of this scene but still I agree that there should have been a scene we’re Sanji fucks over them hard

    But shit arc after all.

    Still love my Niji and Reiju
     
  13. Vivo Diez OBEY

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    Oda's been getting into this habit of introducing these maniacal villain characters only to be portrayed later in a positive light the moment they get involved with the strawhats. First Ceasar, who's experiments were references to the nazis, become a comic relief. Then Judge and the family have a change of heart to assist the strawhat team without any real arc for them to get to that point.

    All of the Vinsmokes are some of the most poorly written major characters. There could have been a way to write the three brothers to be slightly distinctive and interesting despite their backstory, Reiju is essentially a Robin-esque character that didn't even learn to love Sanji for who he was, but because of how her mother felt about him.

    Don't get me started on Judge. Just written as the most reprehensible character, and the mother as a saint, such a cop out. Where are the similarities between Judge and Sanji? Besides the pervert goof that the other brothers inherited, this could have been a great way of drawing parallels between Sanji and his father and how they might have more in common that either would like to admit.
     
  14. PureWIN Mr. Prince

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    No, I understood it. It just didn't feel particularly satisfying. I would've preferred had that scene occurred earlier in the arc, and then Sanji could definitively demonstrate why he's so valuable to Luffy. As it stands, Judge was only left confused and frustrated and will only get proven wrong when Luffy becomes the PK.
     
  15. Maffy the Love Doctor Turkey can never beat cow.

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    They seemed pretty sober to me.
     
  16. Soca The Mud and the Oil Super Moderator

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    He was saved by the son he called a failure and still called him a bloody failure. He's not gonna admit a damn thing lol
     
  17. PureWIN Mr. Prince

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    Yeah, but Sanji's contribution that arc was baking a cake and I don't think Judge values that skillset...
     
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    I liked the dwarves more than Vinsmokes, and that's saying something.
     
  19. Samehadaman Well-Known Member

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    They lacked a final curbstomping scene. Judged cried like a bitch but the douchebros should have taken more punishment.
     
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    I don't think he'll come to appreciate that if he didn't even appreciate his "failure" saving his life. But that's just me.
     
  21. Zeta42 SHSL Witch

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    Japan seems to love Vinsmokes btw. Anime had filler dedicated to them, and they are in new One Piece games.
     
  22. Soca The Mud and the Oil Super Moderator

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    eh are we sure that's because fans like them or because Oda's forcing their characters upon the community wanting them to be liked :blobglare
     
  23. ~VK~ The King

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    Shit arc was shit arc. Lot's of things were wasted including the vinsmokes.
     
  24. Quikdraw7777 Well-Known Member

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    After seeing how they mistreated Sanji, witnessing Katakuri choke out Ichiji like he was Ving Rhames was quite pleasing.



    :skully
     
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  25. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Doubt it reiju is the only one that broke into the too ten in th recent popularity pole
    The other fucks know where they were sitting at
     
  26. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Did bege get what he "deserved" for killing so much people until now ? The germa are trashes (exept reiju) but so are most pirates of Grandline. Most people fleeing Impel down were murderers and thieves , doesn't change that some of them are free now. Some jerks of this world will never get what they deserve. It's sad , but the Vinsmoke family's goal was not to be actually being DEFEATED by Sanji. The whole morality of the story is to show how much Sanji respect his true "father" . He said :

    "He'd be disappointing in me for becoming such a small minded rat who'd laugh at your blood family's death."

    Showing pity and disgust to the vinsmoke was more mature and human than hate and thirst for vengeance. In that Sanji have my respect. With some hope , I think they may even change (at least some of them , maybe judge will redeem himself ??? )

    But regarding "getting what they deserve" remember there is still hopes that Big mom made them prisoners. She may send somes heads to the SH crew sooner or later ... with some germa on it ... and some fish-men ... (hope not Reiju , PLEASE not reiju ...).
     
  27. Typhon "The Roaring Tide"

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    A few others and I were certain Sanji was gonna run a gauntlet on his family after beating up Yonji, but of course he had to look like a scrub whenever his older brothers were present.

    I'm still not over that scene where Niji called Sanji slow. It's fucking Sanji who chapters earlier blitzed Oven and dodged Katakuri.
     
  28. shintebukuro Well-Known Member

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    Sanji's acquisition of a Raid Suit yet refusal to use it is hinting towards more development for him involving the Germa. They will also most likely have survived BM.

    So, although as it stands their handling seems poor, recognize that it is also incomplete.
     
  29. mayday123 My username sucks

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    I'm curious what's the deal with the legendary marine hero and mama Vinsmoke sharing the same name (Sora/Sola)

    I really hope it's not just a dropped plotline, and we'll get to it later.
     
  30. Astro Indubitable Moderator

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    Japan loves Nami as well. There is no accounting for taste.
     
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