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What are chances of Luffy fighting Kaido 1VS1?

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Sherlōck, May 13, 2018.

  1. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    Oda raised Luffy's bounty possibly second only to Yonko & gave him (indirectly via Morgan) the status of Fifth Emperor (You can argue the merit of calling Luffy 5th Emperor in other threads).

    • Do you think Oda is setting up Luffy for 1VS1 against Kaido?
    • What are the chances of that happening?

    If that happens,

    1. How will you feel about it?
    2. Will you still think Kaido currently is the strongest Yonko?

    If it goes the same way as Law+Luffy VS Mingo where Law injured him but it was Luffy who did bulk of the fighting then,

    1. How will you feel about it?
    2. Will you still think Kaido currently is the strongest Yonko?
     
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    I'm hoping and expecting a team battle for the sake of controling power inflation and maintaining worldbuilding (if he solos Kaido, either power inflation destroys consistency since he still has so many enemies to fight, or Kaido was fake hype which means no hype or reputation will ever have any weight on the manga again).
    But honestly at this point wouldn't shock me.

    He came out of Dressrosa nearly killed by Doflamingo and saved multiple times during the fight (even by announcer Gatz lol), then against Cracker he needs to use two major matchup advantages to win, then recovers miraculously, fights a Yonko firstmate and wins. His teeth grow back instantaneously from drinking milk.

    He's in full power inflation mode, takes infinite amounts of damage, and doesn't tire until an arc is over. He always fought in plot mode, but now it's less gimmicks and more just pummeling everyone.
     
  3. Luke I Am In Here

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    If that happens, I wouldn't think less of Kaidou for it. It would just mean that Luffy has once again had an enormous leap in power.

    If you start thinking Luffy defeating a very strong character reflects badly on them, you're gonna be in for a bad time.
     
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    Well, it kinda does reflect badly on them. If Mihawk, Aokiji and Kuma would have lost to Luffy, we wouldn't consider them particularily strong. If Luffy after Kaido shows that he's the WSM, it wouldn't reflect badly on Kaido, but if he was to still struggle against for example Akainu and Big Mom, it would.
     
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    I wouldnt like it


    but after Meme island, I feel 1v1ing Kaido is possible (both because of power inflations and because of how Oda is these days)
     
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    After the disaster that was the end of Luffy vs Katakuri, I wouldn't be surprised if Oda uses some bullshit to make Luffy win 1 vs 1. I would hate it but whatever
     
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    It matters because of how this manga works, in terms of power progression and the underdog trope. If Luffy defeats Kaido and then Oda goes "OK this is prime Luffy, as strong as he will get, now let's fight the others and he isn't underdog anymore", then sure it doesn't reflect on Kaido.
    But in One Piece, you know Luffy will get much stronger. And you know whoever Luffy fights next will be portrayed as even stronger on top because he has to play the underdog. So if Kaido lost 1v1 fair, these upcoming characters end up portrayed as stronger than him.

    Now for example in John Wick, if the guy has trouble defeating assassin X in the first movie and trouble defeating assassin Y in second movie, it doesn't mean the assassins aren't equally dangerous. Which is absolutely fine and doesn't make the upcoming action scenes any less exiting.
    But that's not how these shonen usually work, they think hype requires constant powerups and stronger upon stronger enemies, and that's how One Piece worked so far.
     
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    I think there’s no chance of Luffy fighting Kaido alone. Kidd is going to be integral to that fight since he’s the only one that has any direct knowledge of Kaido’s abilities. I see him pulling off enough devastating attacks on Kaido during this (inevitable) 3 on 1 to restore his reputation. It’ll likely be a fight with a domino effect. Law will (hopefully) go down first. Then Kidd, with Luffy acquiring enough power to finish Kaido in the end. I see Drake taking a back seat, fighting a calamity with Zoro or something.

    I never believed Kaido was the strongest of the Yonko. His title is bound to have caveats; like being based solely on physical strength or durability rather than overall skill for example. He simply lacks the relevance of more prominent characters like Akainu, Shanks, Blackbeard and Dragon to be capable of thoroughly validating the authenticity of such a title. The guy already reeks of overconfidence and clumsiness due to his supposed inability to die.
     
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    Prior to whole cake island I thought it was very unlikely but given what’s happened and the Luffy wank going around I think Luffy will solo Kaido

    Or at the very least it will be like the doflamingo fight so Kid or whoever may do some damage but in the end Luffy will do the bulk of the work.
     
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    not gonna happen.
     
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    Luffy will get rekt at first in 2 or 3 skirmishes and after that he'll find a weakness and will decide to reveal a new power up to beat him.
    That's how I imagine a solo fight unfolding and i wouldn't be surprised at all..do I like it ? Depends..i didnt like the asspull vs katakuri but maybe if done correctly it will be bearable.
    A team effort would be better with luffy simply having a final showdown and finishing him off himself.
     
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    This. WCI changed things, with Luffy becoming more or less a yonko FM level. We will probably see law/kidd go against Kaido first and lose, and than luffy comes in and saves them. They team up against Kaido only for Kaido to take out law/kidd without too many injuries, but enough for luffy to beat him 1v1
     
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    I believe he'll 1 v 1 Kaidou, but it will be similar to Doflamingo. Marco and whoever are gonna fight Kaidou first, weakening him to Luffy's level.
     
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    That would provide a lot of forum entertainment, there were (are) lots of debates on how much damage Doflamingo had taken compared to Luffy, and if Luffy won solo or not considering what Law did earlier.
    If Kaido fight is like this it will be even worse. Honestly I'd like a more straightforward team battle where it's clear multiple people were necessary to win (two, three, whatever). Oda has been hyping Kaido like crazy.
     
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    100 percent chance that he is going to fight Kaidou alone
    100 percent chance that the fight will involve other people on both sides
    50 chance that somebody else also causes damage to Kaidou
    100 percent chance that Luffy gets damage from people on Kaidous side

    Basically the same as Doflamingo. Doflamingo had multiple people help damage Luffy before he even came in contact with him so we can negate the fact that Luffy had help recovering in the middle of the fight. That's how wars work. Doesn't change the fact that Luffy beat Doflamingo whether or not he had help. The main difference is that this isn't a fight between Pirate crews this is an all out war live or die situation. It will be similar to Marineford war as in complete battlefield experiences. Luffy will lead the charge heading for Kaidou who will be leading his troops. Kaidou will be causing damage to Luffy's side until he reaches Luffy and vice versa. I have little doubt that Law or Marco will attempt to weaken Kaidou before Luffy eventually faces off against him there is also a small possibility that Law attempts to fight Kaidou along side Luffy. Though in that unlikely scenario there is a more likely scenario that Law will be intercepted by King and thus his help to Luffy will be minimal.

    Sanji will have his hands full facing commanders/multiple commanders and lesser commanders. Zoro will be busy with the shogun etc. The truth is Kaidou will probably have three people in the billion bounty area including himself while Luffy will only have one other person worthy a bounty on his side. Kaidou's crew along with wano antagonist will be handled by the strawhat fleet lead by Usopp, Sanji, Zoro, Nami etc. The actual attack on the top Brass will be done by most likely by Luffy, Law and Marco, maybe guest appearances from Jenbe or nekomamushi or whoever. By top brass I mean Kaidou king and queen. That is the maxiumum seeing as Jack will be needed to help the rest of the crew from being overran by a combination of the walkers of Arlong Park.

    The victor of the war will be apparent long before the conclusion of Luffy vs Kaidou. If Kaidou wins no matter how wounded or hurt he would be able to change the tide of the war and eject the alliance from Wano. If Luffy wins no matter how wounded he will be able to subdue the remainders of Kaidou's crew. This is how Yonkou fights work. We've seen that Luffy can defeat multiple commanders and fight an army in the span of a few days. Nobody on his side can do that not even Marco. Jack has shown to be a stamina beast but defeating the powerful wills of people like Zoro while other people are around is impossible. Luffy has a great bases probably the best in the world but he can't overpower Kaidou if he wants to win he has to fight smart. The top of his game. Seeing as he doesn't have the same emotions involved that he did against big mom him not doing something to stupid is possible. I believe that Luffy's Underdog crew slowly overpowering Kaidous elite fleet will be the leading push that sends luffy into the next tier capable of beating Kaidou.

     
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    Absolutely. Oda's not being subtle that Luffy is yonko level right now. I know we like to think that Oda's just over hyping him with the whole 5th emperor title but a part of me genuinely thinks Oda really wants us to know that he's as strong as an emperor.

    Ever since Kaido was introduced I was with everyone else's opinion that it'd be a team battle but with how fast Luffy is growing and how Oda refuses to not let anyone else but Luffy win a fight, then the chances are extremely high right now.

    :kanyeshrugIt won't hurt as much as long as I believe Luffy is on his level.

    I mean we never saw him in action and all we got was a title. After Big Mum's showing I'm thinking she's the strongest right now.

    I'd prefer it.
     
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    He could honestly. with the way oda was treating luffy last arc. we know what ever is going to be trown at luffy he will just get back up. Include a flashback of rayleigh and a powerup and the fight is over.
     
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    Its just that if he didn't do a team fight against Doflamingo or Katakuri that were initially outside his depth, it's hard to believe he'll fight along side others against Kaidou. I get the hype, but Luffy has been saying for awhile now that he'll take on all the big names.
     
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    I wouldn't even mind. Other protagonists unlock super saiyan, sage mode or bankai for crucial moments.

    Luffy already got all the power he needs to beat everyone and is actually indestructible, but he's a distracted dumbass so he forgot everything.
    Whenever he is struggling he just has a flashback "wait wasn't I able to do gear 8 in the island lulz also my haki is better than I remembered" and proceed to win.
     
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    Honestly wouldn't surprise me, and so it wouldn't change anything for me.

    Luffy has been on an upward path all through the timeskip as Oda dismisses and damages everyone's cred for him, and so this wouldn't be much different.




    As long as the arc itself is well written I honestly couldn't careless.
     
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    I believe Mom will be the first emperor he defeats 1-on-1. Kaido will be a concerted team effort from Luffy + who knows.
     
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    I still believe that Kaido will be a team effort, especially since Kaido is considered neigh immortal, so someone like Law and the other SN will have to weaken the heck out of him for Luffy to finish him, similar to Flamingo but on a higher scale. Pls no countdown from the ninjas Oda :giogio

    I also believe that the format of the fight, so to say, will be quite different from anything we have seen up until now. So I am expecting to be surprised by Kaido.
     
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    Kaidou will be a team effort. 1 vs 1. always bet on kaidou.
     
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    Bruh Luffy got that super duper endurance now. He won't stay down :wow
     
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    1vs1 won´t happen. Otherwise Luffy would be the strongest already after Wano and there would be no tension after that. It will probably start as a team battle and end with a 1vs1 just like against Doflamingo.
     
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    If luffy fights kaidou 1on1 i'm quitting the manga
     
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    Luffy will king Kong kaidou in his sleep and Kaidou will not even wake up. Always bet on kaidou
     
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    Going by the comments, Luffy should be weaker than the Top Dogs forever lol.
     
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    No. that's not what we're saying..

    Luffy will be the strongest eventually. But Kaidou is currently the strongest. If Luffy beats him 1 vs 1, then no one should even think of fighting Luffy unless they have x5 the numbers. Get what we're trying to say?

    If Luffy beats Kaidou 1 vs 1, Big Mom, Teach and any other guy out there should drop the idea of standing against Luffy, and I really doubt that's the message Oda wants to give to Luffy's enemies seeing how the fall of Luffy will make everyone take him 100% serious, not 100% unstoppable.
     
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