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What aspects of your fave do you feel are underrated/undermined?

Troyse22

Shuts down the Sannin camp
Those sure would have came in handy

Possibly. My theory is that it was invented for SM until sometime after its debut with Jiraiya. Either way it's listed in the DB for Jiraiya as a user nonetheless. You're free to dismiss the guide books, doesn't mean others have to.

"Kishi entirely reinvented SM and its power level but Kisames power level stayed the same over 2+ years" :tiredpepe

Stop it Turrin :tiredpepe
 

Aegon Targaryen

The Shield That Guards The Realm of Men
Do you think I can one day be better than you Aegon-senpai?

It doesn't seem like it, Maru, since you still continue to abuse the neg function on me and lose your mind every time I return the neg, I don't care about the negs, just seeing your strange ways, it's not like I expect much from who has such dumb beliefs like that Saitama is stronger than UI Goku or that Bruce Lee can defeat an elephant. :kobeha
 

Shazam

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"Kishi entirely reinvented SM and its power level but Kisames power level stayed the same over 2+ years" :tiredpepe

Stop it Turrin :tiredpepe

Well, I suppose it'd good that Jiraiya has the actual evidence on paper in the databook. It's undeniable. On the other hand kkg seawater is no where listed
 

Troyse22

Shuts down the Sannin camp
Well, I suppose it'd good that Jiraiya has the actual evidence on paper in the databook. It's undeniable. On the other hand kkg seawater is no where listed

Yeah, and Kisame doesn't what with his admission of inferiority to a Sannin, and then going on to challenge a Sannin killer :tiredpepe
 

MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
Yeah, and Kisame doesn't what with his admission of inferiority to a Sannin, and then going on to challenge a Sannin killer :tiredpepe
Which Sannin killer did he challenge ?
He didn’t challenge sasuke
He challenged Itachi before he even knew of Itachi power at which point he admits he isn’t on Itachi level
 

Shazam

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Yeah, and Kisame doesn't what with his admission of inferiority to a Sannin, and then going on to challenge a Sannin killer :tiredpepe

Kakashi challenged who he thought was Madara saying he was going to end him here and now.

Guess that means Kakashi > Madara.

Oh but sorry, fanfic retcon Kisame with fanfic seawater KKG stomps. I apologize
 

Troyse22

Shuts down the Sannin camp
Kakashi challenged who he thought was Madara saying he was going to end him here and now.

Guess that means Kakashi > Madara.

Oh but sorry, fanfic retcon Kisame with fanfic seawater KKG stomps. I apologize

So Kisame admitting inferiority counts, but him challenging a Sannin killer 2+ years later doesn't?

Ok Turrin :tiredpepe

Which Sannin killer did he challenge ?
He didn’t challenge sasuke
He challenged Itachi before he even knew of Itachi power at which point he admits he isn’t on Itachi level

Indicative of a retcon as the scene you're talking about technically occurs before P1.

Kisame was also giving Itachi more credit than he even deserved because he was assuming he solod the entire Uchiha clan, which Itachi himself admits he couldn't do. So Kisame was under the impression that he was essentially challenging a stronger version of Itachi than he actually is.

All signs point to retcon :catshrug
 

Shazam

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So Kisame admitting inferiority counts, but him challenging a Sannin killer 2+ years later doesn't?

Ok Turrin :tiredpepe



Indicative of a retcon as the scene you're talking about technically occurs before P1.

Kisame was also giving Itachi more credit than he even deserved because he was assuming he solod the entire Uchiha clan, which Itachi himself admits he couldn't do. So Kisame was under the impression that he was essentially challenging a stronger version of Itachi than he actually is.

All signs point to retcon :catshrug

As long as you think Kakashi > Madara for challenging him then sure Kisame can be > Sannin
 

MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
So Kisame admitting inferiority counts, but him challenging a Sannin killer 2+ years later doesn't?

Ok Turrin :tiredpepe



Indicative of a retcon as the scene you're talking about technically occurs before P1.
How is it a retcon explain big brain .
Kisame was also giving Itachi more credit than he even deserved because he was assuming he solod the entire Uchiha clan, which Itachi himself admits he couldn't do. So Kisame was under the impression that he was essentially challenging a stronger version of Itachi than he actually is.

All signs point to retcon :catshrug
This is straw grasping though considering the challenge you spoke of happened before he knew about Itachi techniques
By part 1 he knows enough about them to admit inferiority to Itachi
 

Troyse22

Shuts down the Sannin camp
As long as you think Kakashi > Madara for challenging him then sure Kisame can be > Sannin

Kakashi was essentially going in blind against a man who everyone thought his power was a myth. It's also stated by this "Madara" before that he's a shadow of his former self.

How is it a retcon explain big brain .

This is straw grasping though considering the challenge you spoke of happened before he knew about Itachi techniques
By part 1 he knows enough about them to admit inferiority to Itachi

He thought Itachi was strong enough to take on the Uchiha clan, which he wasn't though :catshrug
 

MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
Kakashi was essentially going in blind against a man who everyone thought his power was a myth. It's also stated by this "Madara" before that he's a shadow of his former self.



He thought Itachi was strong enough to take on the Uchiha clan, which he wasn't though :catshrug
Ok @GrandBenja

samehada uses seawater sword to counter that’s fine
 

Shazam

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Kakashi was essentially going in blind against a man who everyone thought his power was a myth. It's also stated by this "Madara" before that he's a shadow of his former self.



He thought Itachi was strong enough to take on the Uchiha clan, which he wasn't though :catshrug

Lol OK Kakashi > Madara according to Troyse22

Can't make this up. I guess anything goes

:russ
 

sy6up

Arise!!
Hashirama literally beat EMS Madara twice and would have killed him if wasn't for Izanagi
More like it was actually Hashirama and Tobirama and 20 other people vs. Madara the first time and Madara deadass would've won if not for the wood clone the second time. And he had to fight SM Hashirama in base and did more damage to SM Hashirama than Hashirama did to him.
 
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