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What happened to the Vice admirals ?

hajimehipo

Well-Known Member
The marines used to boast Aokiji, Kizaru, Akainu as Vice admirals and we know that they all had their OP logia fruits at the time as well. Sure their Haki wasn't nearly as strong as it is now but their DF powers more than made up for it.

Don't mention Garp and Tsuru, they were already Vice admirals at the time, and at their prime as well. So the Vice admiral force had Prime Garp, Prime Tsuru, Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru...

Now they got .. smoker ( weakest logia fruit holder) as their strongest VA ( after the 2 oldies).

WRONG FORUM , meant to post this in OL, didnt notice
 
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Lee-Sensei

The Clown Prince of Crime
The navy used to boast Aokiji, Kizaru, Akainu as Vice admirals and we know that they all had their OP logia fruits at the time as well. Sure their Haki wasn't nearly as strong as it is now but their DF powers more than made up for it.

Don't mention Garp and Tsuru, they were already Vice admirals at the time, and at their prime as well. So the Vice admiral force had Prime Garp, Prime Tsuru, Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru...

Now they got .. smoker ( weakest logia fruit holder) as their strongest VA ( after the 2 oldies).
Saul Indicated that Aokiji was abnormal even as a Vice Admiral. I don’t think Smoker is the strongest Vice Admiral though.
 
The Color Trio were already Admiral level when they were Vice Admirals, Saul makes that very clear during the Ohara Massacre.

The Color Trio are gifted and were not the average Vice Admirals, they were far superior and more talented. Smoker level fighters are average Vice Admirals.

You're also wrong when you state Smoker is the strongest VA. Onigumo, Momonga, John Giant, and the two VA's who didn't become Admiral are at least all stronger than Smoker.
 

trance

monsoon runner
strongest vice admirals not named garp would be tsuru, chaton and momosagi

and yea like ava said, the logia trio are just exceptional; akainu and kizaru were monsters even as recruits and aokiji casually stomped saul
 

Strobacaxi

Well-Known Member
Yeah, 20 years ago Marines were absurdly powerful, they had 5 around admiral level VAs + the actual admirals + FA

It's hard to understand how WB ruled the seas at all
 

Canute87

Nuke Imminent
The marines used to boast Aokiji, Kizaru, Akainu as Vice admirals and we know that they all had their OP logia fruits at the time as well. Sure their Haki wasn't nearly as strong as it is now but their DF powers more than made up for it.

Don't mention Garp and Tsuru, they were already Vice admirals at the time, and at their prime as well. So the Vice admiral force had Prime Garp, Prime Tsuru, Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru...

Now they got .. smoker ( weakest logia fruit holder) as their strongest VA ( after the 2 oldies).

WRONG FORUM , meant to post this in OL, didnt notice
Kizaru Aokiji and Akainu were not a standard, they were an exception.

Just like how Garp and Sengoku were the only marines that stood above everyone else during roger's time , these three stood above during the new age.

Yeah, 20 years ago Marines were absurdly powerful, they had 5 around admiral level VAs + the actual admirals + FA

It's hard to understand how WB ruled the seas at all

He had a very powerful DF.
 

X18999

Space Colony
Smoker had a bad showing but we all saw with Luffy it only takes a couple of quick powerups to change where you are. All Smoker needs to do is learn FS and he's back in the game... add awakening and a Haki upgrade and Admiral White Snake is born... not much different for Drake.
 

gogcho

Well-Known Member
The problem is Oda created too many VAs, and they look like fodder even compared to FMs. He should've put the max number at around 7 or 8 and dump the weakest VAs in the Rear Admiral rank; that will automatically elevate them strength-wise.
 

Samehadaman

Well-Known Member
For quite a few of them, Oda can make high tier without any inconsistency.

John Giant lost to Whitebeard, Cracker or Jack would get just as easily clobbered by Whitebeard though.
Ronse was shown clashing with Vista directly on background, he showed up again afterwards in perfect condition (to get murked by whitebeard, again not to be held against him).
Onigumo came out fine and even cuffed Marco, though by surprise it still shows he has decent reflexes.
Then there is Chaton and Momousagi which Oda made canon.

The only blunder was fodderizing a bunch of them, because if he decides to make VAs relevant fighters he can do so with those mentioned above, but Maynard and co still exist so the rank itself is ridiculously wide in gap.
 

Lee-Sensei

The Clown Prince of Crime
The problem is Oda created too many VAs, and they look like fodder even compared to FMs. He should've put the max number at around 7 or 8 and dump the weakest VAs in the Rear Admiral rank; that will automatically elevate them strength-wise.
I don’t think so. The VA’s could have been a 12 and 16 counting Garp. 3 or 4 Vice Admirals for each Admiral and the Fleet Admiral. Maynard should have been a Captain though or a Commodore at best. All of the Flag Officers probably should have been stronger. Aside from the Admirals and maybe Chaton and Gion.
 

Corax

Well-Known Member
I think all VA are different. Aokiji/Akainu/Kizaru were Chatton/Momousagi of their age (likely even stronger since they passed their admiral test unlike them).
 

Daddy Masterson

Active Member
I think they're mostly fodder tbh.

Is Garp an instructor now or is he both an instructor and a Vice Admiral still? Tsuru seems like a high YC tier fighter given Doflamingo's fear and respect of her. Momousagi and Chaton must be quite strong if they were the ones who were initially considered for the vacant Admiral spots. Smoker is relatively weak as of right now but I feel like he'll play a big role in the final war.

The other 20 of them don't really matter or don't seem strong enough.
 

San Juan Wolf

They're even better when you're dead
But really, Oda has basically done a huge disservice to the VAs by basically forgetting that a Vice Admiral is someone who gets promoted to Admiral eventually. Instead, he deliberately had Fujitora NOT be a Marine before he got drafted for the position of Admiral, meaning that literally there was not a single person of apropriate rank in all the Navy that could have been promoted to that rank after the War.

Despite the fact all 3 of the previous trio of Admirals WERE regular Vice Admirals before. So I feel that's kind of a disappointment. Honestly, Oda should have noted that some Admiral level Marines were stationed at key strategic points during the war so that they can't be taken unawares and or be attacked by the Revolutionaries or Kaido etc.
 

King Piccolo

Well-Known Member
But really, Oda has basically done a huge disservice to the VAs by basically forgetting that a Vice Admiral is someone who gets promoted to Admiral eventually. Instead, he deliberately had Fujitora NOT be a Marine before he got drafted for the position of Admiral, meaning that literally there was not a single person of apropriate rank in all the Navy that could have been promoted to that rank after the War.

Despite the fact all 3 of the previous trio of Admirals WERE regular Vice Admirals before. So I feel that's kind of a disappointment. Honestly, Oda should have noted that some Admiral level Marines were stationed at key strategic points during the war so that they can't be taken unawares and or be attacked by the Revolutionaries or Kaido etc.
Yeah at least one of them should have been a former Vice Admiral but the Marines basically showed the world that they have no one strong enough. It‘s also weird to have 2 people join and instantly be Admiral while Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru all had to climb trough the ranks.
 
I think they're mostly fodder tbh.

Is Garp an instructor now or is he both an instructor and a Vice Admiral still? Tsuru seems like a high YC tier fighter given Doflamingo's fear and respect of her. Momousagi and Chaton must be quite strong if they were the ones who were initially considered for the vacant Admiral spots. Smoker is relatively weak as of right now but I feel like he'll play a big role in the final war.

The other 20 of them don't really matter or don't seem strong enough.
Both an instructor and VA. Kong got him to retain the rank despite his transfer/semi-retirement, and as we saw Garp still goes on some non-instructor missions like escorting the Ryugu royals.
 
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