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What % of his max power do you think Jiren was using during the special?

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by PFM18, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. PFM18

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    Pretty much the title. We know that Jiren was very suppressed during this time, but the question becomes by how much? What do you guys think? How much power was Jiren using?
     
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    129 : 100%
    127/128 : 80%
    123 to 126 : 50%
    109/110 : 25%
     
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    Whens the first time Jiren even powered up?

    Whens the first time Jiren even had a freaking aura?

    Jiren at any time prior to that could literally be RESTING Jiren ffs :lmao

    Dude was a monster.

    Probably no more than 1/10th of his power...Maybe even less.
     
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    1-5% at the most
     
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    Depends
    Blue/kkx20 Goku like 1-5% at best
    UI omen 20%
     
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    Care to elaborate? That would make Jiren anywhere fromat least 400x SSB to at least 2,000x SSB at full-power. That seems a bit nuts. How do you get to these values? Does this boil down to that theory that Goku/Vegeta got stronger during the tournament?
     
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    Before The tv movie: 2%

    Tv movie: 20%

    Against Hit: 30%

    Against Goku and Vegeta: 35%

    Against the last survivors of u7: 45%

    Against UI Goku round 3: Probably upped it to 50%

    Final Battle with MUI Goku: Full 100%
     
  8. Pilaf

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    Remember when Frieza fought Vegeta in form 1 and was "straining" so he had to transform a little bit? Jiren in this fight is in a similar situation. He actually flexes his ki a little without bringing an aura up. It's a light warmup for him at best.
     
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    He didn't even remotely start trying until episode 123.
    Goku and Vegeta got a shit ton stronger.
    400-2000x ssb isn't crazy considering he's stronger than blue vegito from the goku black arc and goku didn't make any significant gains from end of that arc til his fight with jiren since you know he was rusty and out of shape
     
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    he is compareable or maybe equal to a GoD some think even stronger idk tbh.
     
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    it was only in ep 123 that jiren actually began to use his true strength and even then, it was only described as a 'hint'

    so imo, a reasonable percentage for that would be about 20%

    off the top of my head?

    ep 109/110 - 5%

    ep 123 - 20%

    ep 127 - 60%

    ep 129 (against omen ui but prior to unleashing his full power at the end) - 80/85%
     
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    Take it like this. Ssb vegito is posibly hakaishin tier. The potara or fusion dance multiplier is ridiculous, over hundreds of times, maybe even thousands. Jiren is right up there with the hakaishins and possibly beyond. He surely was hundreds, if not thousands of times stronger than 109 ssb goku. And the power he used against 110 omen goku is apperently less than what he used in 123, and the dude just keeps powering up multiple times after that... i wouldnt even say its a stretch if he wasnt even using 10% of his power against initial uio goku.
     
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    Don't know but it's where Jiren was faster and stronger against Kakarot compared to the likes of Hit and Vegeta.
     
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    Initial UI Goku didn't really make sense when you think about the later UI's as it was constantly commented on that his offensive side was very lacking so why the was the first appearance of UI for Goku seemingly different? When he and Jiren traded blows there was very sizeable shock waves and the only thing that makes sense is that because the spirit bomb was acting like a battery then it could've been boosting his offensive abilities as well as defensive... but I don't even like that idea.
     
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    So I'm going to do some math now.

    1. As @MShadows says all the time, Blue was implied to be 50x SSJG in the RoF arc

    Now let's fast forward to Kefla vs Goku. We get: SSJ2 Kefla ~ 2nd UI >>> SSJ Kefla >>> Blue KKx20 Goku >>> base Kefla >>> SSJG Goku. Let's use some numbers:

    SSJG Goku: 1
    base Kefla: x
    SSJB Goku: 50
    SSJB KKx20 Goku: 1000
    SSJ Kefla: 50x
    SSJ2 Kefla: 100x

    So we need Kefla's "x" to be more than 1 and less than 50, yet enough to where 50x is more than 1000.
    If Kefla is 20, then SSJ Kefla would be 1000. So it needs to be more than that. 30 is a nice and clean number.

    SSJG Goku: 1
    base Kefla: 30
    SSJB Goku: 50
    SSJB KKx20 Goku: 1000
    SSJ Kefla: 1500
    SSJ2 Kefla: 3000

    2. So UI is 60x SSJB using these numbers. Interestingly, if we go with UI as 50x to mirror SSJ, then the numbers still work. Though I think UI being a bigger boost than SSJ and SSJB on SSJG fits with its hype more.

    Anyway, I and many people have SSJBE and End of ToP SSJB KKx20 Goku > SSJ2 Kefla. Also, 3rd UI is obviously better than SSJBE. That gives us: Max Jiren > 3rd UI > SSJBE Vegeta > 2nd UI > 1st UI ~ 110 Jiren.

    a) You can even argue 122 SSJB Vegeta is around SSJ2 Kefla since he said he's never felt a ki higher than 122 Jiren's

    Since that 3rd UI would be >3x stronger than 2nd UI according to that chain. Max Jiren is way more than 3x 110 Jiren.
    That makes 110 Jiren 33% as strong as Max Jiren at the absolute most. If you believe a) , then he would be 1.67% as strong at the absolute most.
     
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    I'm sure Toei who can't even keep a proper powerscale from a minute to minute basis had all of that written down on some piece of burger wrap they crumble and threw away by accident.
     
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    they don’t need to
     
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    :ohlord
     
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    jesus dude :dead

    i'll give u an A for effort but its so ridiculous to try and create a consistent powerscaling system cuz lultoei
     
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    like there's almost no point :blobcry
     
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    It’s consistent enough for me
     
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    soft informative
     
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    :ohlord
     
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    It really isn't that inconsistent. The original series clearly isn't entirely consistent either and people analyze the shit out of it.
     
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    >It clearly isn’t that inconsistent.

    You’re either blind our lying through your teeth.
     
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    Maybe I just genuinely believe it isn't that inconsistent? Most of the scenes that people claim are inconsistent are simply just a resultl of them being confused and not fully understanding the scene or the context surrounding the scene. The most egregious power scaling inconsistency is how Trunks's power was handled in the Zamasu arc, but other than that it hasn't been bad at all. Again, the original series wasn't entirely consistent either, this is par for the course.
     
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    This math is surprisingly on point. Yeah, I would agree UI Goku ~= SSB x50.
     
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