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What was Toriyama trying to achieve by introducing the U6 Saiyans?

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by MShadows, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. MShadows Deathbat

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    Bit of a long thread, but bear with me!

    After U6 was introduced as a twin universe to U7 and the U6 Tournament came about, we saw our first U6 Saiyan: Cabba.

    The reactions were very mixed, leaning towards disappointment because Cabba looked like nothing more than a malnourished kid, considering even 9 years old Gohan was more buff than him.

    Anyway, he introduced us to the fact that in U6 the Saiyans are still alive and kicking on their original planet, but contrary to their U7 counterpart they were warriors of justice and not savages. Cool! What do we also learn next? Well, that the U6 Saiyans have never heard of seen a Super Saiyan before.

    That's right... in a point in time where the Golden forms are completely obsolete and only reserved for fodders, the U6 Saiyans can't even use the most basic of these. Sure... Vegeta trains Cabba and helps him unlock SSJ, sure... he also shows him SSB and thus lets him know that there are much, much greater heights to be achieved and even says that Cabba himself could reach it through hard enough training... But what happens next?

    Come the ToP we see that Cabba has barely gotten stronger since the U6 tournament, if at all and he also hasn't even shown his people the SSJ form. We're then introduced to what appears to be a prodigy even among the superior U6 Saiyans: Caulifla.

    She's a bit stronger than Cabba and she achieves SSJ by doing a little trick that has left a very bad taste in the mouths of a lot of DB fans: back tingles... Ok... But later we're introduced to female Broly Kale, who is revealed to be some super duper special mutant of sorts because she's got a rather unique and never before seen transformation of her own. What's more... Caulifla also achieves SSJ2 literally a minute later as well... In other words, they were reaaaaally pushing the idea that U6 Saiyans have shit tons of potential and that these two girls were really something else!

    After the ToP starts Cabba has literally no focus at all except for one episode later in the game, and Caulifla faces against Goku which causes Kale to go Broly and cause havoc. Her supposedly super strong mutant form gets hyped by walking through a SSB Kamehameha (which was actually super super weak), and personally getting Jiren to send her to sleep.

    After this, it goes downhill.. Cabba receives some more mentoring from Vegeta and finally achieves SSJ2 after a struggle (a forms that was already achieved and surpassed by his two team mates that left him in the dust), we have Caulifla express major interest in achieving SSJ3 (another outdated and obsolete form) and never actually achieving it, and we also have the previously super hyped beast Kale whose strongest form (which is confirmed to be a lot stronger than her Broly self) can't even hold a candle to a tired and completely casual SSG Goku.

    What's worse... a tired base Goku was schooling SSJ2 Caulifla, which really shows just how outclassed and amateurish the U6 Saiyans are. You then have a tired SSJ2 Goku take on both SSJ2 Caulifla and SSJ Kale at the same time, despite their power-ups.

    This pic right here sums it all up:

    Goku has never been more bored in his life.

    The only real display of power came when Caulifla and Kale fused in to Kefla. She become way more powerful than anyone could've anticipated, as at the peak of her power she was more or less comparable to 116 UI Goku power-wise. But of course, Kefla is a special character due to virtue of being a Potara fusion, and we all know those appear only once a series...

    Anyway, to sum this up... I feel like the U6 Saiyans are a wasted concept. They couldn't even carry through with the visit to Planet Sadala and Vegeta meeting their king. The three main U6 Saiyans can't hold a candle to any of the main U7 Saiyans despite all their hype and supposed potential. Even more so since their U7 counterparts have massively stronger and newer forms to push them ahead through the story.
     
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  2. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    He did it to introduce cool characters, they're all great
     
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    You're joking, right?
     
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  4. The Supreme God GODSPEED Aka Thespiritdetective . ART IS AN EXPLOSION

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    Maybe the backlash of the Saiyan girls was too great and they decided to simmer down on how much progress they made. I'd they do get there own arc maybe it will all come together there.
     
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    I believe they were portrayed in this way, to show that they have potential. However they are still Young, and need much to work on like Goten/Trunks. They are essentially the Next Generation. It's quite possible, they will have a use further down the Dragonball line, however are not relevant at the moment.

    They would fit perfectly with Uub tbh.
     
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    /thread
    Plus combine that with lack of planning and thought here we are
     
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    More characters

    Goku and Vegeta having something like a teacher-student relationship (not so much in Goku's case though)
     
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    You know. Vegeta has a son who has fun at fighting but is plot blocked... Same for Goku. Maybe they start to train them seriously
     
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    The only legit teacher-student relationship we have is Vegeta - Cabba (although it's pretty one-sided). Vegeta helped Cabba achieve both SSJ and SSJ2.

    But in Goku's case, he only wants to fight strong and promising opponents. It doesn't matter who it is. It was also Caulifla that kept asking him how to achieve further forms, the teaching initiative never came from Goku.
     
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    You have a wierd taste dude.
     
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    U6 Sayans Hero is Meh.

    I preferer Sadic Sayans and Warriors Brutality.













    Sayans is 100% Monsters.

    Sayans Steel Tsurus planet,and Kill All Race.



    Alpha Sayans>>>Beta Sayans.
     
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    They’re his new vision of what Saiyans should be like. If he created Dragon Ball today that’s what Saiyans would be like. He completely forgot about them being a race of ruthless, murderous bloodthirsty bastards.

    New Toriyama is bad. Very bad.
     
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    SJW pandering :kermit
     
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    Toriyama of old would have made murderous hot Saiyan hoes with curves instead of these two.
     
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  18. MShadows Deathbat

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    They reflect modern society. Twig-thin effeminate boys and obnoxiously crazy women.
     
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    Even some OCs look better!

     
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    Spaghetti Cabba is the worst

    Holy shit even 4 years old Gohan looked more legit
     
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    And the king is fodder as well if he wasn't even a candidate for the ToP
     
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    I think it was just to tease / test drive legendary SSJ as canon
     
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    And even the LSSJ of U6 ist shit compared to the monster of U7 with the name Broly...Controlled form my ass
     
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    Felt like an attempt to possibly push a spin off like a lot of popular shows attempt where we have the main cast then the universe 6 cast off doing their own thing with the potential for crossovers.
     
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    They referenced a trip to U6 quite a few times, but nothing came of it.

    Many people would like to see a U6 spin-off, especially one surrounding Hit. But considering where the popularity lies, do you think the money hungry magnates over at TOEI would spare a few yen for one?
     
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    Depends on what the future actually is for Dragon Ball after the Broly movie. I would rather see the main cast return first then delve into the possibilities of giving universe 6 it's own show as Dragon Ball is popular enough I reckon it could survive.
     
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    They really need to do something with Piccolo at the very least. Poor guy's been mistreated for almost the entirety of Super with the exception with a few bones thrown here and there.
     
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    That as well though I wonder how can Ya make it work
    Well there popular but there not massively enough to warrant it
    Hit us only one there that interesting
     
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    Piccolo needs something badly enough of him playing nanny
    If they can have 17 get the all star treatment Big green should get one as well
     
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    The only U6 spin off I'm interested in is about hit.
     
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