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When did Kakashi surpass the Sannin?

When did he surpass them?

  • During the Pain arc

  • During the War arc

  • Never


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LostSelf

Forest Sage
Moderator
WA is the safest bet. Mostly for his Kamui usage.

Everyone talks about the jinchuriki but insert Kakashi against five Madara wood clone susanoo’S and he does no better then Gaara, that is to say, worse then Tsunade.
He does as well as Madara allows him, just like the others.
 

Crimson Flam3s

Rampage Sage
1. Jiraiya actually defeated 4T Naruto in base.
2. 4T Naruto is portrayed much stronger than any of those V2 Jinchuriki.
3. Kakashi and Guy inflicted no damage upon those Jins and couldn't defeat them at all.
4. They were tagging Naruto and B due to all six of them working together using their Sharingan and Rinnegan with their jutsu, Kakashi and Guy never fought all six nor did they use those jutsu against them.

What chapter can I read where they show your #1 and #2 claim?

As for #3 - #4, the Jins didn't do any damage to Gai and Kakashi either and it's not their fault that the jins considered their V2 states more useful than throwing jutsus around that the far more experienced duo could apparently deal with. Kakashi alone went up against 4 V2 jins while Gai fought Saiken.

Basically if we go by what you are saying, the V2 Jins are far weaker than their v1 counterparts and Obito made them weaker just for the lulz :kobeha


Not sure what manga you're reading since that never happened.

Did oro not get oneshot with genjutsu before putting up a fight yes or no?

Either way, all feats taken into account is fairly obvious the Masters and Sannin are around the same level in WA and someone would excel better in different scenarios.
 

Orochimaru op

大蛇丸
Didn't look like that when the Gokage were on their knees
Correction, Gaara, Mei and A4 were “on their knees” in the sense that they were defeated. Tsunade had a momentary lapse of strength after slamming one to the ground but she picked herself back up

and their Susano'o enemies forgot how to attack and then Madara said how Onoki was ruining his fun.
Onoki ruined their fun by saving the gokage from certain death. Madara stuck two swords into Tsunade and was one step away from killing A4 so yes he was trying to kill them. He even states he’s focusing on Tsunade as well because he despises her.

He also tried to kill Tsunade twice before knowing she had regeneration with a clone feint and yasaka beads

Madara can both hold back and also being going for the kill with the amount of skill he’s putting forward. This level of skill was enough to beat Gaara and A4 and likely Tsunade had it continued. Kakashi would have crumpled before she did
 

LostSelf

Forest Sage
Moderator
Correction, Gaara, Mei and A4 were “on their knees” in the sense that they were defeated. Tsunade had a momentary lapse of strength after slamming one to the ground but she picked herself back up
Tsunade was defeated as well, considering it is after Onoki's speech that we see her trying and barely standing up. All this time she was down was enough time for the clones to kill all of them except Onoki, yet they didn't.
Onoki ruined their fun by saving the gokage from certain death. Madara stuck two swords into Tsunade and was one step away from killing A4 so yes he was trying to kill them. He even states he’s focusing on Tsunade as well because he despises her.

He also tried to kill Tsunade twice before knowing she had regeneration with a clone feint and yasaka beads

Madara can both hold back and also being going for the kill with the amount of skill he’s putting forward. This level of skill was enough to beat Gaara and A4 and likely Tsunade had it continued. Kakashi would have crumpled before she did
Ok, this here is a bit of a misconception. Saying Madara only tried to kill Tsunade because he stabbed her.

Madara compared Byakugo to the jutsu of Hashirama, the same jutsu that made him accept Tsunade was not weak and same jutsu that he hyped so much. Madara had a perfect idea that Tsunade could take these hits and fell on the same predicament as the other, to slowly break their will in their own way.

Gaara had his defense overpowered, Mei had her ninijutsu nullified, Tsunade had her Byakugo outlasted, Ei had his speed countered and cornered. Each Kage had a different way to be toyed around, and making Ei fall with a Sharingan genjutsu and him commenting how pitiful was to fall for that is a hint to it.

If not, how could Madara's clones corner the V2 Raikage, yet somehow all he can manage are stab hits against Tsunade? Don't you think that 5 clones capable to react to V2 speeds and with Sharingan precog would easily behead Tsunade from a side or behind while she is distracted by one or two clones?

I mean, we have the panel of them doing nothing when the Gokage were on their knees. Madara was not going easy on them, that's for sure. But if you added Kakashi there or anyone else, he'd do as well as the others, or as well as Madara wanted in that especific instance. We don't know how worse Kakashi would've done, as he would've been equally countered in his own area. Only Onoki rose above, and that was briefly. The others would not do better or worse.
 

Atlantic Storm

becel es el orador dorado
Advisor
Historically, Kakashi has always been relatively competitive with the Sannin. The issue is that his in-story role as the arc villain measuring stick always made him look inferior compared to his seniors, who were considered to be indomitable legends for the entirety of part one and a large portion of part two.

I also feel like there’s an unfortunate subconscious tendency to tie Kakashi’s strength level with his rank. ‘Elite Jōnin’ encompasses a wide group of characters, but they’re always going to feel inferior when evaluated against characters who have transcended beyond traditional shinobi classifications. The fact that Kishimoto never acknowledged in-story shifts in power dynamics between characters (outside of Naruto, Sasuke, and—to a lesser extent—Sakura) doesn’t help this, as characters like Kakashi and Gai become statically rooted in their old positions even after they’ve received new feats that should place them at least on the same level as the Sannin.

Anyway, to answer the question—at a conservative guess, I’d say Kakashi more or less reached Sannin-level by the beginning of the war. Before that, he was close enough to give any of them a decent fight but still lose most of the time. Kamui was basically his only real weapon against two out of the three and he couldn’t reliably use it without serious hampering his chakra reserves and physical performance until the war.

Kakashi with the dual Mangekyō Sharingan was obviously stronger than them. And although I’m not too familiar with his feats, I’m fairly sure Hokage Kakashi and subsequent iterations of the character are stronger as well.
 

dergeist

Well-Known Member
SM Jman was surpassed when he shit diffed Asura path in invasion arc:gglife
Orochimaru when he could use kamui near light speed.
Tsunade at DMS level, since she can exchange hands with Mads, while he gets slap diffed by Mads until that point.

As for Base :bury Jman, he is unsurpassable, so never.
 

Troyse22

Shuts down the Sannin camp
Did Kakashi ever surpass each of the Sannin individually? Obviously he did with DMS but that was Obito's doing and that isnt included here. Did Kakashi ever surpass them on his own? and if so when?

He surpassed Tsunade in the Pain Arc definitely, and he could give SM Jiraiya serious problems with his WA feats, but imo hasn't surpassed him. He never caught up to Oro short of DMS.
 
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