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When do you think Sasuke and Naruto surpass MS Tobi ?

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Cosmos, Jun 14, 2018.

When did Sauce and Nardo surpass MS Tobi ?

  1. Sage mode and Mangekyo Sharingan

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  2. After unlocking Biju mode and EMS

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  3. Post the fight with JJ Obito

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  4. When they got Rikudo Sennin's power

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  1. Cosmos The Great Cosmos

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    Title says it all.
     
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  2. Emperor Palpatine Well-Known Member

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    Voted for after unlocking BM/EMS but I'm really not sure actually. BM Naruto needed Kakashi's help to break Obito's mask with Obito basically using no rinnegan jutsu.

    Kamui is just that god damn hax. Would probably still put BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke above him on a tier list though.
     
  3. Vrizu Well-Known Member

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    BM Naruto and Post Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke.

    However with full knowledge, I think KCM Naruto could potentially counter MS Obito with letting his clone taken into the boxland.
     
  4. The_Conqueror Well-Known Member

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    Jubbito fight Sasuke
    BM Naruto
     
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    EMS and BM. Sasuke could spam Ama and Susanoo, so Tobi can't catch him with Kamui so easily. BM Naruto is fast enough to outspeed Tobi and he can always catch him with Bijuudama.
     
  6. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    MS Sasuke most likely, though I'd suggest KCM/above Naruto in terms of surpassing Tobi probably.
     
  7. WorldsStrongest Dio With It

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    Id say BM/EMS they can fight on his level

    But the issue is countering Kamuis hax in a 1v1
     
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    BM and EMS is when they surpassed him and fought on a higher lvl
     
  9. Batzzaro29 Well-Known Member

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    After Rikudou power up.
     
  10. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    Bm and ems.
    Bm naruto is physically comfortably faster and with bm clones that obito can distinguish the fight basically becomes very dangerous for obito. Naruto dosent even need the avatar any time obito gos in for kamui warp he gets outdone in speed and reactions by naruto and killed by naruto and his clones. If naruto makes 3 bm clones there is literally a 75percent chance he will warp a clone and get shanked.

    Ems sasuke is also more reflexive but not physically faster but blindside kamui warp is too dangerous without sensing so sasuke will need to stay in sussano. Clone feints are off the table for sasuke so i think it will be more of a stamina contest between the 2 uchiha who wins i have no idea. Sasuke has definitely surpassed him in general power levels though without bijuu summons.
     
  11. Kai R I N N I N G Retired Staff

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    Show one scan of Obito ever using Kamui and getting feinted by a doppelgänger. Just one, I’ll wait.

    If not, then no it’s not a 75 percent chance.
     
  12. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    Reached his general level with KCM and EMS and surpassed him with BM and Juubito fight EMS.
     
  13. Cosmos The Great Cosmos

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    I guess I'm the only one who believes they surpassed Tobi with Hagoromo's power (or maaaaybe after the fight with JJ Obito, but it's a 50/50 chance for either kids).
     
  14. Isaiah13000 The Snake that slithered over the Moon

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    BM and EMS (during the Juubito fight), that's when they surpassed him imho.
     
  15. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    Obito literally must warp one out of 4 identical narutos standing in front of him he cant distinguish between them 1/4 is the chance of him warping the real one while the other 3 are clones making it 3/4 chances he warps a clone if tries to suck up naruto....simple probability. Also bm naruto is faster then minato the moment he turns himself tangible to attack he makes himself open to attack from an opponent who is both faster and more reflexive then him and his clones.
     
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  16. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    How would obito even attempt to defeat naruto? We already know that via emotion sensing even kcm naruto dodged blindside kamui warps , bm naruto is physically comfortably faster and has better reactions , obito must turn himself tangible to attempt to warp naruto and the moment he does he makes himself vulnerable against an opponent who is physically faster then minato and his clones. Once naruto makes 3 bm clones thats pretty much it the possibility of obito winning becomes just about moot. He cant distinguish between the bm clones and he has a 3/4 chances of warping a bm clone leaving him open to shanking. He cant harm naruto and naruto dosent need the avatar against obito so time limit is moot and naruto easily beats him in stamina.
     
  17. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    BSM and EMS respectively.

    Prior to that, sorry to say but they aren't any kind of serious threat to the dude.
     
  18. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    Naruto especially, he lacks the intelligence needed to figure out Kamui. While Sasuke is smart enough to eventually figure it out, I question whether he will do so fast enough.
     
  19. Cosmos The Great Cosmos

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    By the time they obtained BSM and EMS, both of them where already familiar with Kamui, so this doesn't matter.
     
  20. Eliyua23 Well-Known Member

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    Kishimoto made a blunder of this with KCM he was supposed to have speed on part with the yellow flash , hence the whole scene with Ay(4) , having the flashback to fighting Minato , then once he obtains BM , Kakashi mistakes Naruto for fighting at Minato’s speed while they were fighting the tailed beast so if that’s the case once Naruto mastered Kurama’s chakra he should have been moving fast enough to top what Obito did with Kamui , it’s just that outside of having the tailed beast he never gave Obito any other relevant power outside of Kamui and at that stage he can’t really harm Naruto at all and it’s also symbolic as Naruto powered up so did Obito

    Rikudo Naruto > Juubito> BSM Naruto >Rinnegan Obito > BM Naruto > MS Obito > KCM/SM Naruto

    Once Naruto could control his sunshin with BM he could defeat MS Obito as he would be able to top his speed like Minato did

    As for Sasuke it’s a bit tricky but I’ll say since Madara was stronger than Obito because of PS then once Sasuke got PS he probably surpassed Obito with MS as well with Sasuke

    Rinnegan Sasuke > Juubito > Rinnegan Obito > Sasuke PS> Obito MS > Sasuke (MS-EMS w/o PS)
     
  21. Serene Grace Prodigal Sage

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    What? Naruto has some of the best combat intelligence feats in the manga, even as a kid.
     
  22. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    Kakashis intelligence was needed to figure it out.

    Naruto was blatantly confused start to finish
     
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