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Where are people getting Big Mom > her crew from?

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by xmysticgohanx, Sep 15, 2018.

  1. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    she can rek her country and they cant stop her :hmm

    also I think none of her kids can damage her skin (dont remember if that was stated, but its seems pretty likely/implied)
     
  3. luffy no haki 1st seat

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    depends... Better at what? If its just fighting power, i think it was clear she is above every single person that appeared in that arc.
     
  4. MasterBeast Out Of My Mind.

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    Well she can definitely take on the whole crew only thing is she’s a fat bitch, who’s gonna start losing weight mid battle and get taken out by kata or something.
     
  5. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    The reasoning that I see used is that those characters ran away in that arc however I don't necessarily agreeing with that reasoning because it wouldn't make a lot of sense for those characters to risk being incapacitated against their allies when they can simply attempt to avoid a yonkou's anger. :p
     
  6. Go D. Usopp Straw Hats Wanker

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    People seem to relate it to how Wb can solo his entire crew hm
     
  7. charles101 Well-Known Member

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    Well, Smoothie aka "Sanji" of her crew run away from her without even thinking about fight. Also, in last SBS someone asked what if BM would want something like wedding cake while Struesen is still injured and if I'm not wrong he said in this case they would be screwed.
     
  8. mob Senzu bean cartel

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    This mindset shouldn't be surprising at all when you think about it, almost all captains Luffy has faced in the past could of soloed their whole crew, with the exception of Buggy.
     
  9. Canute87 Nuke Imminent

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    they can't stop her without killing her.
     
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  10. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    but where’s the panelzzz

    would you mind linking it?
     
  11. Louis-954 Well-Known Member

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    That's only if she is in hunger pang mode.
     
  12. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    she would be ok, she would eat some fodders on the way to annihilation the whole island
     
  13. Mr. Good vibes ZZZZZ

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    Hell damn near every relevant pirate crew we've seen so far's captain >> the rest of their crew. Even among the yonko WB and Kaido (with his hype as immortal and wsc this is likely the case) > their crew and with Linlin being heavily implied to be too much for anyone to stop her from rampaging plus the fact she likely has the best durability in the series with it being the most hyped up aspect about her. Teach probably solos as well considering he has the two most op fruits alongside being endgame material for Luffy so the only one in question who can't could be Shanks, but i'd put money on the cripple haki master tbh.
     
  14. charles101 Well-Known Member

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  15. Duhul10 Troll killer

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    Bm wreaking havoc was seen as an apocalypse by her crew. Smoothie pissed herself.
     
  16. GilDLax Well-Known Member

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    1. Just her scream's shockwave + CoC and they are all useless...
    -Katakuri is the only significant one who wasn't shown to have to block his ears and grovel. Well, he's her no.2 so he got special portrayal but even then he was stunned the same


    2.
    It's canon her crew is scared shitless when she's in rampage.
    -Smoothie ran away right off the bat without even thinking of putting up any resistance and she's 2nd Commander.
    -Perosperos kept saying the country would be done for which shows how helpless they are vs BM and he's the first child and top of the ''monstrous members'' so he should have a pretty accurate estimation of his mom.

    The excuse ''they must kill her to stop it and they don't want that'' is crazy. They can still tie her up or something. And they would not value their lives over hers? Opera literally lied through his teeth to save his life. They aren't that absolutely loyal.
    If you reckon they must kill her or they die then that pretty much means you admit she's so strong her entire crew has to resort to that.


    3. Thanks to her DF, she fodderizes most of them
    -Her one-shot move by stealing soul thanks to fear. And her crew fears her...


    4. Even actual feats and abilities shows her huge advantage
    -She can casually block Kong Gun. Katakuri got sent flying and bleeding. So even BM's no.2 is far below in physical strength compared to her.
    -Her DF is, coincidentally or purposely, a great counter to nearly all her top fighters'.
    +Rain softens Cracker's biscuit and takes away Katakuri's mochi's sticky-ness
    +Prometheus>Peros's candy (as shown by Luffy's Red Hawk) and Oven's heat
    +Lightning would destory Smoothie's water-ful body.


    5. The same structure that exists for most crews in One Piece since forever that is the captain/leader > his/her crew or at least vastly superior to no.2?
    The only notable exceptions would probably be
    -PK crew where PrimeRayleigh should be very strong,
    -the Marines where Fleet Admiral is just a bit stronger than Admirals (though Admirals>>>>>>Vice Admirals anw)
    - maybe the SHs if Zolo wankers turn out to be right...
    -I guess Don Krieg's crew......Gin is strong

    Other than that?
    -Arlong looked like he could take Kurobii, Hachi and whatever the okama-ish dude is called.
    -Croc>Baroque Works cause he's Logia, duh
    -Enel destroyed everyone under him...even if they band together
    -Foxy...Noro beam
    -Lucci is nearly twice as strong as Kaku in terms of Douriki...he made Franky look like a joke. It means he would take like few minute to dispose of Kalifa, Blueno, Fukurou and that long-haired dude, I think. Then take on Jabura and Kaku at the same time.
    -Moria...his crew is a joke. Perona has hax, I guess, but Moria just uses Doppelman and they all die.
    -Magellan...hahahaha. Well you can count Shiliew but that's too splitting hair.
    -Hancock: her sisters lost to pre-TSLuffy in a straight fight...
    -WB..nuff said.
    -Hody: Maybe Hyouzou can do something. Not sure.
    -Caesar...captain obvious. Monet is technically DD's crew though. Even then Caesar can beat her IMO
    -DD...solos his crew. Only Pica is nuisance but nothing different form what Zolo did to him.
    -Kaidou...well, logic: Kaidou is WSC => Kaidou>Zunisha. Zunisha one-shot Jack => Kaidou >>>>>> Jack. Even if King and Queen are stronger than Jack I doubt the difference is big enough to make a difference. Sanji one-shots Sheepshead and Luffy one-shot Holdem.


    So I know Meme is a joke and Katakuri is cool but sorry, BM solos her crew.
     
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  17. maupp Faster than my Shadow

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    No relevant captain I've seen can solo their own crew, not even the yonkous.

    This is just another case of over inflated hype of yonkous. From what has been shown they possess strong fighters within their crews and their top fighters are among the strongest in the OPverse.

    Yonkou are ridiculously overrated on these boards.
     
  18. Typhon "The Roaring Tide"

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    I'd actually like you to name some relevant Captains besides Luffy that can't solo their crew
     
  19. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    And foxy.

    :tomato
     
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    ...From the fact that she's a juggernaut?
     
  21. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    The only exeption of the rule so far were Foxy and baggy who were jokes. We don't know much for roger shanks and the mugiiwara, but I hope they are an exeption too.

    The whole power inflation of dbz like shonen with the MC being faaaaar away his nakama is pretty shity.
     
  22. Avalon

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    We had 20+ chapters of the entire Big Mom crew crying in fear about their mother's rampage, there's plenty of evidence that she can defeat her entire crew.

    Perhaps you can explain why you think she can't defeat her own crew and then we can go from there.
     
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    I know that this was a big hit on most tier lists of those here, but it is what it is and it shouldn't be that surprising though. The captain must be strong enough so that he should laugh in front of a coup d'etat imo. These should especially be the case of yonkous who need to be as tough as possible in order not to have everything they gathered destroyed
     
  24. Canute87 Nuke Imminent

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    Because if they kill Big mom their crew is finished.
     
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    And exactly how would they go about accomplishing that?
     
  26. Canute87 Nuke Imminent

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    nobody thought chopper nami and brooke were able to do anything against big mom but they did.

    I don't need to draw a scenario. Three weaklings were able to survive against her, her crew can do much much better.

    The obvious point here is not consistently engaging her in direct confrontation.

    They never dragged it out so they didn't see her rampage actually has a burnout point.
     
  27. Duhul10 Troll killer

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    Fat BM would have killed them all with a swing of her big ass sword. Jinbe would survive that actually as water does not affect him. He looses after that nevertheless. Slim BM is severely weaker than her fat self. Even then, they were still basically just running as she was destroying the ship. They did slow her a little, I give you that.
    Not even mentioning sane fat BM, who is basically an invulnerable killing machine.
     
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  28. Canute87 Nuke Imminent

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    big mom would have killed many with that swing. They avoided it.

    Dodging attacks is actually a thing.

    Slim BM is still a result of running out the time which people vastly stronger than nami chopper and brooke can actually manage to accomplish.

    Their tactic was wrong, that was all. They focused on trying to quell her desires because every single time they actually could find what they were looking for to feed the bitch.

    If sane big mom was invulnerable she wouldn't have used haki to block a G4 attack.

    So clearly attacks are capable of damaging her. But as you know the levels are to be taken into consideration.
     
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    Well those huge homie attacks in the forest did absolutely nothing to her and I think that those are > a simple kong gun.
    She only used CoA in order to increase her strength and toughness even more. If you ask me, it was also done in order for the readers to have a cool looking panel between BM and Luffy. However, nothing indicates a kong gun would have hurt her.
     
  30. Gohara Ryutoshi

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    @Avalon

    Teams superior to a character might still attempt to avoid matching up against that character because that character is capable of incapacitating some of those characters. Why would characters want to choose between possibly incapacitating their family and/or being incapacitated when they can simply avoid both? Wouldn't yonkou also have to be a lot superior to Luffy to be capable of besting a yonkou crew that includes several characters who can match up on par with Luffy? Luffy isn't that inferior. :p

    @Typhon

    Krieg, Blackbeard, Doflamingo, fisher tiger, Lucci, Luffy, the germa kingdom, Roger, etc..
     
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