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Which characters would benefit from top tier intelligence?

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Crimson Flam3s, Oct 8, 2019 at 4:07 PM.

  1. Shazam

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    ORO easily could of if he wasnt so damn cocky. And just stayed more lowkey similar to Danzo or Tobirama.

    Both 3rd and 4th A would be right under Madara/Hashirama if they used long range ninjutsu,summons and tactics/genjutsu. Instead of being one trick smash. From what we seen.

    Minato and Tobirama lack hard hitting moves or at least seals to defeat durable foes or defenses.Thats all they need really. To defeat Bijuu or even durable ninja like the raikages or jins. They would be up there with the the Gods of shinobi.

    Neji if he branched outside of clan techs. Became versatile and got some top tier teachers.

    Naruto with a brain is immortal. He could legit train all the time and learn most powers. Learn hirashin and Uzumaki seals. Take rikudo and Hashirama cells then keep all the bijuu chakra inside of him. Maybe try to contact Hagaromo and learn from him. Hell learn edo tensei. Just to train with old masters.

    Sasuke needs to use more rinnegan techs. His Rinnegan should be able to do more by now.
     
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    but Tobirama didn't need to copy anyone so he's still higher.
    Sasoi OTOH, didn't need Hashi cells to improve his Human Puppet Jutsu. He still needed to craft very single puppet in his colection and his poiosn.

    prolly 15 000 each + 5000 Samurai. Remember Konoha was destroyed completely by Pain and that where most if not all the ninja from the Fire Nation come from.

    Prolly smaller nations have less than 10,000 ninja, but it's still a lot. According to the DB, each akatsuki member was worth more than 1000 shinobi.
    I can't see Shikamaru dealing with 1000 shinobi with a single jutsu, and even thgh his IQ is higher than Sasori's, he doesn't have the jutsu needed to destroy a country. Like I said before, Sasori doesn't have Deva nor Deidara's destructive jutsu, he can't blow an entire village with a bomb or ST, if he destroyed several countries, he had to work hard for it, it's obvious you need strategy to destroy a nation the way Sasori did, with only 100 Puppets. All that multitasking needed.

    People usually think Kakashi is one of the best strategists in the series, but that's couse we've seen him been involved in dozens of fights. Most of the people I listed before only had 1 or 2 fights at most. If any of those characters had the same amount of fights that Kakashi had we would prolly see how good they all are as strategists.

    Uh, not really.
     
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    I think Tsunade has better strategies than the others you named on that list.

    She thought using Madara’s Susano’o blade against him could pierce through his armour. The other Gokage didn’t think to do such a thing.

    As Hokage she created numerous teams specifically designed for various missions (like the Nijū Shotai).

    She was the one to suggest that they use FTG to transfer Mei onto the battlefield so that they could use her suitons to battle Madara’s Katons.

    And she knew when was appropriate to switch from standing back being the team healer in the Gokage battle, to stepping into the front lines as their primary mode of offense in order to deal damage.
     
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    If Ninjas were Intelligent then they would have been using better weaponry.

    - Plate armour.
    - mail armour.
    - Shield.
    - Sword.
    - Spear.
    - spiked Mace.
    - Battle Axe.

    Instead of that pocket knife.

    Give those things to a common Shinobi and he wrecks any Shinobi equal to him.
     
  9. Orochimaru op

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    Oro was busy making himself immortal which is far beyond what tobirama did.

    Besides it’s already stated oro has more talent then tobirama.
     
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    Perhaps, but some of these like getting Mei onto the battlefield to use suiton are fairly obvious. Tsunade is not an idito when it comes to tactics, but compared to people on her level combat wise like say Onoki she is behind the majority.
     
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    and he still never achieved such thing, since he's still weak to Genjutsu and so many other things x'D

    Uh, where?
     
  12. Orochimaru op

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    But he is immortal? He’ll never die of old age, and oro also is a genjutsu user lol. Getting hit with genjutsu from the greatest non six paths genjutsu user is not a bad thing lol. He did achieve immortality by boruto.

    Databooks.
     
  13. Charmed

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    not truely immortal (not in Shippuden, anyway). No.And look all the years it took him x'D
    apparently, but still gets slapped by Sharingan genjutsu.... basic Sharingan Genjutsu. :cattap


    So what if he did, it took the guy like 60 years to achieve such thing x'DDDD
    Sure, drop a scan or leave.
    :catshrug
     
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    Orochimaru got slapped by Itachi. Saying Orochimaru got smashed by sharingan is the same as implying Madara got beat by basic Mokuten. Itachi is on a different level.

    The databook says Hiruzen had greater talent than Tobirama in ninjutsu and Orochimaru had greater talent than Hiruzen. I haven't got the scans, but I have seen the scans and translations several times before.
     
  15. Orochimaru op

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    Was kind of busy doing other stuff like getting all five nature transformations, a legendary sword, researching hozuki clan, jugo clan etc

    From itachi



    Left corner states hiruzen has more talent then tobirama



    Done
     
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    1. A4 would be quite good if he didn't fight like a goof, fighting like he's doing a wrestling show. Damn goof.

    If he fights smart and judges better, he can beat lots of people, even Itachi and the likes.

    Screw that wrestling style, develop a real taijutsu style. Use the Third Raikage's Hell Stab. Use hit and run tactics, to avoid falling to counterattacks. Develop longer range Raiton.... It's all doable for a normal brain guy, with A's talent.

    2. Hidan could learn some other ninjutsu or genjutsu considered his talent, learn clones to increase the chances to get a drop of blood, and to have multiple ritual circles in the field.

    That's about it i guess, others usually aren't as lacking as these two guys are. They feel way too comfortable and don't try to get better, you literally can't spot a difference between the A of the flashbacks and the present A, aside the older looks.
     
  17. Charmed

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    meh!


    Basic 3 tomoe, ANBU tier teen Itachi >_>r!

    what talent? As a ninja? Well Neji had more talent than Naruto, but Naruto was always stronger, so yeah. Not to mention Neji was very smart. Talent has nothing to do with being a genius. Tobirama was a genius. So yeah, Tobirama is stronger than those 2 :3!
     
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    Uh... not really.
     
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    I never understood why age mattered when teen obito can go toe to toe with minato and control the ninetails. Side note, 3T bnegs fucking the ninetails, so it beating oro is almost required.

    Your also ignoring context, which if we go that route Sasori lost to sakura and an old lady even though context says this isn’t the case, but ignore for oro and we ignore it for him.

    Hell no. Naruto in like two hours of training while not even a genin can create two thousand clones.

    He mastered minato’s jutsu in a week. He fought a kage level battle (shukaku) at 13

    He did what minato could not and added windstyle to rasengan

    He learned SM in like a week.

    Lol at neji having more talent
     
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    They are talking about ninjutsu and Hiruzen proved he was more talented than Tobirama, by learning every non KG Konoha jutsu. He knows about all the techniques in Konoha and mastered the secret jutsu too.

    When it comes to ninjustu we have a master studen chain in talent Sasuke>Orochimaru>HIruzen>Tobirama.

    No it really is. Itachi and Obito slaughtered the rest of the clan and was praised as special by everyone. Orochimaru grew up in Konoha with lots of Uchiha around. If someone gets beaten up by Gai, we don;t say they have a weakness to taijutsu we praise. Gai.
    3T 14 year old Itachi beating Orochimaru is such an immense feat, people either downplay Orochimaur or Itachi's feat.
     
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    it matters most of the time. Remember what Mads answered Onoki, when the old man asked him why he didn't use his full power against him and Mu sama?
    Also Kakuzu and Hidan fighting against a bunch of Chunin kids, made them let their gourd down.
    The same happened to Sasori and Deidara.
    The same happened to Tsunade, she underestimated Kabuto.
    So yeah, age matters, and battle experience is a thing too.
    You can say Oro has more battle experience than Sasori, or maybe not. Couse in this case, we know that Oro participated in GNW2, and like the other Sannin, they all pretty much abandoned the ninja world to become something else.
    Sasori since he was a teen, had achived so much more things than Oro at 50+ y/o. And he never retire, in fact, he was busy turning humand into puppets and destroying countries here and there.

    Not really, it's just that Genjutsu is that hax, you can prolly beat anyone with Genjutsu, same way you can beat almost anyone with poison. The thing is Oro has 0 defense against Genjutsu.
    Remember Oro admitted Itachi was much stronger than him, and he was talking about an ANBU tier Itachi.
    Not to mention that Oro is like 3 times older than Itachi x'D. That's humilliating, alright.
    But that Old lady is Sannin tier, and she happens to know more about puppet jutsu than Sasori himself. See? that's context right there.
    Are you also ignoring that Sakura was killed almost 20 times, if not because of Chiyo? Or that Chiyo was blitzed once and blindsided once by Sasori, while the guy was fighting against her army of puppets?


    useless foddor. At least in PT 1. Neji got rid of them easily.
    While training with a Sannin who has 30 years in battle experience.
    I'm sure Neji would've masteed that in 1 day x'D
     
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    Because madara is way stronger lol

    Not really. 14 year old obito being minato levek proves age doesn’t matter. Same with naruto who is 16 and would solo the entire world.


    Heatsensing snakes, he’s also a genjutsu user. Ur thought process is he failed to to do so against the greatest genjutsu user ever therefore all genjutsu rapes him. Makes no sense.

    See how context saves Sasori? Same with oro but you ignore it like how oro didn’t even attempt to avoid genjutsu because he thought he could tank it.

    Nice how you sidestepped naruto mastering SM in a week because you know neji couldnt dream of doing it.

    Also neji couldnt dream of being relevant against Gaara with shukaku.
     
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    No this got retconned. Itachi was now 14 when he thrashed Orochimaru, which would be post ANBU. However, what does ANBU tier even mean? Orochimaru was in ANBU ROOT and he was the 2nd choice to be Hokage. Itachi even in ANBU was entrusted with wiping out the clan.

    Also Orochimaru actually has excellent defenses against genjutsu. He is highly intelligent and the databook gave him a 5 out of for genjutsu. Him falling prey to Itachi is a testament to Itachi's power.
     
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    Jiraiya...
    Poor fucker wouldn't have died in a sewer if he had Intel.
     
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    Intelligence doesn’t really mean shit when you get into the higher tiers. “bEiNg sMaRtEr” won’t help you against a mountain busting Bjuiidama, or continent leveling output. So I’d say no one higher than high kage would benefit form intelligence, it’s got to be one of the most useless traits in a series of idiots
     
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    Pein could have done with being a lot smarter, given the resources at his disposal.

    One of the biggest power increases in the series was the Gaara vs. Deidara fight at the start of Part II. Two people who were by no means implied to be the world's strongest battled with techniques that threatened to instantly level the village. The finishing blow of that fight happened when Deidara slipped a small explosive into Gaara's clay and bypassed his defence.
    Compared to most shounens, Naruto has vastly more fights which were settled by one fighter having a trick or strategy that the other wasn't ready for. Even as the power inflation took place.
     
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    He also dicked down kakashi with genjutsu.
     
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