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Which Gap Is Bigger: Itachi v Oro v Kakashi

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by JuicyG, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. JuicyG Well-Known Member

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    • Alive Itachi
    • 2 Arms Orochimaru
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    The gap between Itachi and Oro, vs the gap between Oro and Kakashi

    1. Who is Orochimaru closer to?
    2. Provide your reasoning
     
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    Orochimaru with Edo Tensei >>>> Itachi >> Kakashi.


    Itachi > Orochimaru w\o ET >> Kakashi.

    Both Orochimaru and Itachi are high kages, whereas Kakashi is a mid kage. Both Orochimaru and Itachi are comfortably superior to Kakashi. So IMO, Orochimaru is closer to Itachi in level (outside of match ups of course).
     
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    It's hard for me to rate where war arc Kakashi stands in terms of portrayal. Part 1 Kakashi was much inferior to Orochimaru, but determining Kakashi's progression from then until the end of the series is quite difficult.
     
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    I think of Itachi as high Kage, Orochimaru as at the top of Mid Kage without ET, and Kakashi as low Kage.

    So I would say Orochimaru is somewhat closer to Itachi.
     
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    You don't think Kakashi's portrayal is above low kage with his war arc Kamui feats? :hm
     
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    I'd say the gap between Orochi and Kakashi. Orochi is on the same general lvl as Itachi imo granted on different sides but same nonetheless whereas Kakashi is towards the bottom of Mid Kage lvl for me so he's not on the same lvl let alone close to it
     
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    WA Kakashi should be comfortably in the mid kage level
     
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    But then again, Orochimaru was completely terrorized and defeated by Itachi, Kakashi continued to remain confident against him after part 1
     
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    Kakashi was more terrified of Orochimaru than Orochimaru was of Itachi.

    Kakashi's relatively more confident reaction to Itachi was probably due to not having enough knowledge on him (particularly that he was even stronger than Orochimaru) - likely due to the Sannin reputation being well known in Konoha.
     
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    Yes, Part 1 Kakashi. His Part 2 counter-piece is like night and day compared to his 3T Jounin self.
    Kakashi was nearly killed by Itachi's MS in part 1, Itachi was also in the anbu with Kakashi, Kakashi is smart. He likely knew full well the extent of Itachi's power. On multiple occasions he was sent to chase him down or was confronted by him, and neither time was he suggesting the group turn tail and run.
     
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    The fact that he was more cautious/terrified of someone who is weaker than Itachi means he didn't have all the facts.

    Just so I'm not confused where this is going: How do you rank them?
     
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    Orochimaru seems like he tends to underestimate Itachi a lot. Itachi is also a bad matchup for him. Otherwise, I think that gap is smaller and not too far off. Itachi's the type of ninja to use oneshot techniques, long battles aren't his style.
    Thus, the gap between orochimaru and kakashi is bigger.
     
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    there s like literally, no gap between oro & itachi

    ang then theres a gargantuan gulf between their duo & ''the jounin who would be kage'' in all his plot-relevant glory
     
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    Or it could mean that Kakashi became confident in his abilities in part 2, to the point where he felt like he could compete with Itachi. Orochimaru not long after the start of Shippuden was already dead. MS Kakashi has never made a statement or remark regarding a comparison of Oro's strength to his after part 1, only towards Itachi.

    Generally, if I were to rank them on a tier list; it'd go Itachi> Oro > Kakashi. However, match ups matter and I think Kakashi has a fighters chance in either match because of Kamui, but more so against Itachi because if Kamui fails against Orochimaru, its over due to his resiliency, whereas Itachi could still be potentially defeated by outlasting
     
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    So what you're saying is if Kakashi in part II were to make a comoarison between himself and Orochimaru, he'd be even more confident than he was against Itachi?
    So you're justifying Kakashi being closer to Itachi than Orochimaru despite Itachi being Orochimaru's superior - based on Kmaui being a worse match up for Itachi?
     
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    With ET, the gap between Oro and Itachi is higher, due to hax. If Orochimaru doesn't have Edo, he will be weaker than Prime Itachi, but stronger than WA Kakashi. I personally think, that the gap between Healthy Oro and WA Kakashi would be bigger in that case.
     
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    Itachi > Orochimaru >> Kakashi

    The gap is smaller between Itachi and Orochimaru, whom I see as on the same tier. Kakashi is not on their tier.
     
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    Orochimaru and Itachi are pretty much equal.... And then a gap followed by Kakashi.
     
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    Its funny how people here are claiming that Itachi and Orochimaru are on the same level..Not like the guy near death and completely blind no diff'd Orochimaru in his strongest form or anything

    This is what the gap looks like:

    Orochimaru (with Part 2 Edo Tensei)>>>>Itachi (Alive)>Orochimaru (Part 1 Edo)>Orochimaru (Without Edo)>Kakashi (WA)

    Orochimaru (Without edos) is a lot closer to Kakashi (WA) than he is to Itachi IMO

    Orochimaru is High end Mid Kage or border line High Kage..Kakashi from WA is a Mid Kage as well but slightly below guys like A4, Might Guy(7th gate) Tsunade etc. Itachi is one of the stronger High Kages out there
     
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    The gap between oro and itachi is bigger than the gap between oro and Kakashi. If it were not for oral rebirth and regen Kakashi at this point could kill oro pretty easily. Itachi owned orochimaru back when he was in Akatsuki without even using MS techniques and oro admitted inferiority back during part 1.
     
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    I think he means they are on the same general tier (high Kage) while Kakashi isn't.
    Not that they are dead equal.
     
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    Itachi'd likely be closer to Oro or vice-versa, than Kakashi is to Oro, I believe.
     
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    Can't see image bruh....

    They are both on the same level as a Ninja and Orochimaru is probably a bigger threat...
    If he plays his cards well.. Oro can defeat Itachi... As he never used half of his techs in the manga.
     
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    It's a manga page of Orochimaru saying "Itachi is stronger than me".
     
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    On a tier list I think Oro and Itachi are around the same grouping. Head to head match ups don't change that, because style makes a difference.

    For example, I believe Jiraiya to fair much better against Itachi than Oro, yet Oro is Jmans equal
     
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    The gap between Orochimaru and Kakashi is bigger, for me, Itachi and Orochimaru are both in the same tier: While Kakashi is not in their tier. Also, as for those saying Itachi "no diffed" Orochimaru. That's not true, if Itachi is forced to go all-out by using Susanoo and the Sword of Totsuka in order to defeat Orochimaru then that is very far from "no diff". The man has to nearly kill himself in order to bring Oro down, so the gap between them is exaggerated.
     
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    Part 2 Zetsu Orochimaru >>> Edo Tensei Itachi > Alive Itachi > Part 1 Hiruzen Fight Orochimaru >> BoS Orochimaru
     
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