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Who, in your opinion, are the current top 5 strongest VA's?

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by qOcOp, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. qOcOp Well-Known Member

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    We all know VA's are mostly fodder but I'm sure there are some current strong ones. Post TS, who do you think are the strongest and closest to Admiral level? Here's my list

    1. Momosagi - almost got chosen to admiral, she is probably the strongest one right now

    2. Toakikake - same as above, these 2 are probably very close to admiral level since they were in consideration

    3. garp - he would have been 1, but post ts, i think he is just too old. probably lost a bit of strength, number 3 right now

    4. Tsuru - we havent seen much but she seems very respected among the marines AND pirates alike. probably be right there with garp if not for her old age

    5. Momonga - here's where the talent level really dips. we've seen the most feats from this guy, the other guys seem to be fodders. He could very well be pretty decent but we just havent seen it yet
     
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    Garp shouldn't even be in this competition since he's an admiral with a vice admiral tag. But anyways, the top 5 are

    - Smoker
    - Sentomaru

    That's it...
     
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    Garp
    Chaton
    Momousagi
    Onigumo
    Momonga/Ronse/Smoker
     
  5. qOcOp Well-Known Member

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    before the reveal of the admiral candidates i would agree. but now they are canon, and also he is old now. imagine a prime roy jones jr vs an old roy jones bro.....the difference is insane. old man jones would still own 95% of the average population but lose to other fighters
     
  6. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Garp> Momosagi+Toakikake>momonga+ancient vice amiral>vergo>fodders vice admirals >>>>smoker.

    I know what I said proof that there is no respect anymore in this world , but smoky deserved it..


    But I believe myself that this list isn't really important. Being choosed as futur admiral doesn't mean you are stronger than all the rest. It means you are the most suited too for many reason. Ao kiji wasn't choosed by Sengoku because of his power. Se don't know for sure that kizaru is less powerfull than Ao K and Aka inu.

    In other world , monmonga may be as strong as the 2 chosen and even slitly inferior to fuji.

    Promotion = being Top rank on your category + feats + different quality like strategy, autority, vision of justice , ect ...
     
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  7. Phantom Thief Well-Known Member

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    I thought Garp retired :hmm

    Am I remembering wrong?? :ahmm

    Anyways, if not, then

    1. Garp - For obvious reasons

    2. Momousagi - Admiral Candidate

    3. Chaton - Admiral Candidate

    4. Tsuru - Doflamingo was weary of her

    5. Momonga - Most focused on
     
  8. qOcOp Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. it is heavily based on strength imo. admirals are super powers and strike fear in everyone. if they arent strong people and pirates will lose respect for the marines. aokiji may have lost to akainu but they are close in strength. its like saying akainu is 100/100 and aokiji is 99.9/100. or out of 100 fights he would win 51 of them. aokiji had better temperment so sengoku wanted him....but dont get it twisted, it is his power too that is a big reason. im sure other stuff matters but strength is very important.
     
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    1. Garp
    2,Tsuru
    3. Momosagi
    4.Chanton
    5. John Giant, Momonga, Onigumo
     
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    The Admirals are obviously chosen mostly on fighting ability...
    They invited Garp who is absolutely terrible at following WG orders and borderline insubordinate. Because he is strong. By any other criteria than fighting ability Tsuru would be much better for the position.
    Aokiji and Kizaru have some serious flaws as "disciplined military officers" and I'm sure plenty of other Marines would be better for non—fighting roles, and Fujitora who is basically self sabotaging on purpose and openly critical of everything.

    Akainu and Sengoku are the only ones Gorosei or Kong would pick as leaders based on personality traits (dedication, strategy, obedience to chain of command).
     
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    oh boy, this again :dank

    garp > chaton ~ momousagi > current smoker* > tsuru

    * = this to me hoping he's at least progressed to like yonko third mate level

    his character box in ch 905 officially says 'marine hq vice admiral'

     
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    Ah, I only glossed through 905. Thanks
     
  13. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    No. Power is an important factor and I totally agree with it. But not only. It wasn't stated that the marine choosed aka inu because of his power. No where did we heard about him being stronger than ao kiji before the fight at pink hazard, and nowhere was it stated that he is better than kizaru in term of strenght. He was choosed by Some higher ups because he fitted the most in the crisis time. When a country is on a crisis state, people start to turn into political party with radical view. The marine faced one of the most crisis in their history :

    2 warlord where beaten and one betrayed them. Enies lobby , Impel down and marine ford where destroyed and an army of criminal are now free and wander trough the sea. And the revolutionary made progress during the war with Whitebeard, and a new yonko was rising with 2 powerfull devil fruit.

    Ao kiji was not chosen for his strenght by sengoku but because they share a similar view of justice. And if he ended up chosen , that doesn't mean he would be better than the 2 others.

    All this to tell you that the 2 candidates where chosen among the group of most powerfull VA , but that doesn't mean they are necessarily the 2 strongest VA . Leadership , philosophy and feats may count too. Admiral also have a political importance , they may for exemple give the right to use the buster call.
     
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    Choosing the Fleet Admiral among the Admirals is completely different from being promoted to Admiral.

    You don't need to be the strongest Admiral to be fleet Admiral bit you obviously need to be insanely strong to become Admiral in the first place. Otherwise there would be no world draft to find strong enough fighters when you already have thousands of Marines to promote.
     
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    Garp
    Chaton
    Momousagi
    Tsuru
    Onigumo (Got the jump on Marco and took him out with seastone cuffs. I can't see any VA not on this list pulling that off.)
     
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    This list is probably the closest to canon. There's a variety of clues that suggest Tsuru is the strongest VA after Garp. From her special rank as Great Staff Officer, the way she to talks to admiral(s) as peers or subordinates with no one objecting, her repeated portrayal as a powerhouse alongside Garp, Sengoku, as well as Fujitora, and making Doflamingo and his crew flee every time without ever thinking about challenging her. Seeing how Doflamingo was willing to test both Fujitora and Aokiji's combat prowess and casually stroll away after, it suggests Doflamingo knew there was a huge gap between himself and Tsuru that he couldn't overcome even with his crew backing him. That theory about him only being afraid of her DF is pretty silly. It doesn't matter how effective her DF is if she isn't strong enough to make it work. Best example of this is Doffy's fight with Law.

    Unlike Momosagi and Chaton, Tsuru has a good reason for not being admiral that doesn't suggest she wasn't good enough to be selected. She's the Great Staff Officer, a rank possibly greater than admiral. The only one who definitely ranked above her at Marineford was Sengoku.
     
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    Garp, Tsuru, Smoker, Momosagi, Chanton
     
  18. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    I think there's tiers of VA & whoever falls within a certain level is nigh equal to those in their rank. Separated simply by portrayal.

    1. Garp
    2. Momosagi - Chaton - Tsuru
    3. Momonga - Onigumo - Yamakaji
    4. Bastille - Vergo - Strawberry
    5. Smoker - Maynard - Ronse
    You must be smoking cock if you don't think the main VA from Hq who were being paired alongside against WB Commanders in arguably the Marines greatest fight of the decade are not stellar.
     
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    Tsuru should not be in your top 5. While she is a veteran VA, she was never in consideration for admiral promotion like Chaton, Momosagi, or Garp.
     
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    You will see. You will all see.
     
  22. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Yeah , in the future. But right now no way he is equal or above the 2 canditate to admiral post. Aside some future power up.
     
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    i agree. the hype is real, i hope we get a flashback when she was in her prime. too bad she's so old now
     
  24. B Rabbit OL's Best

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    Vice Admiral level is like Shichibukai.

    They range from fucking weak to rwally strong. Who knows Oda did this on purpose just incase he needed to pull a hat trick and pull some random powerful marine.
     
  25. Neo Arcadia puru puru

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    The standards for promotion to VA are obviously too low.
    The lesser ones should be demoted to Rear Admiral, with that becoming the new "at minimum you must have haki" rank.
     
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    Or current power-ups that haven't been revealed yet. I don't think he's above the candidates, the list isn't strictly in order of power.
     
  27. Admiral Kizaru One Piece Expert

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    Garp
    Chaton
    Momousagi
    Tsuru
    Onigumo

    For now this seems about right. Though as predicted in the other thread I'm confident we'll get introduced to some more Chaton & Momousagi level VA's later on.
     
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  28. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    Garp,Tsuru,Momo,Chaton are for aure in the top 5.
    The 5th spot is a wildcars with possible ones like Onigumo (or any other hyped VA ),Sento or even Smoker
     
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    My list too.
     
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    Kizaru im disapointed.
     
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