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Who is the greater genius - Yondaime or Orochimaru? *spoilers likely*

Discussion in 'House of Uzumaki Archives' started by Kimi Sama, Jul 1, 2005.

Battle of the brains - Snake Eyes vs the Yellow Flash

  1. Orochimaru is the greater genius

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  2. Yondaime is the greater genius

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  3. They are equal

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  4. Cant decide

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  1. Kimi Sama

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    Before anyone starts talking about who could beat who in a fight, this is NOT a vs thread, so no "Yondaime is faster" or "Rasengan >>> Hidden Snake Hands" or anything like that

    This is about who is the greatest genius, which really comes down to the jutsu they have developed.

    Orochimaru has developed the Immortality Jutsu, which, as we know has it's flaws, but still allows him to live forever and never suffer the effect of a crippling wound or old age.
    He also has the Edo Tensie, which it cannot be denied is basscally unstoppable. Unless the opponent knows Fuuin no Jutsu; Shiki Fuujin , there is no way for them to stop the killing machines Oro can summon - even killing Oro himself will not stop them. We also do not know the upward number of zombies Oro can summon into battle, and it appears he can take his pick of anyone he wants.

    Yondaime on the other hand, created the Shiki Fuujin technique, which is of course able to kill any mortal outright (unless the user is a pensioner with a sword in thier ribcage), albeit at the cost of the user's own life.
    Regardless of being a double edged sword, this is one hell of a sword. Shiki Fuujin was powerful enough to seal the Kyuubi, the most powerful creature in the world, into Naruto.
    In addition there is the Rasengan, which in my opinion is the most powerful direct attack jutsu introduced so far, and a technique that perfectly combines power and control for devastating results.
    Finally for Yondaime is
    Spoiler: Manga spoilers
    The so called "Body Flicker" technique (I cant remember the original name so I'll use this nick) which, as far as I can see, allows Yondaime to move almost instantaniously from one of his special kunai to another. Instantanious movement is one hell of an achievement!


    Having thought it out, I cant actualy decide right now who is more worthy of the title of genius.

    How about you?
     
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  2. Necroziel

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    yondaime because orichimarus a bit creepy
     
  3. Uchiha 0bito

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    Yondaime is the greater genius
     
  4. Freija

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    Yondaime seems to be the greater genius of those 2....

    edit:400 POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  5. Id

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    Yondaime...........becuse...just a gut feeling. :blink
     
  6. Blue Supporting Staff Retired Staff

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    Yondaime, because even though Orochimaru was first choice for Yondaime Hokage, he was also like 20 years older.
     
  7. dregoth

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    Was Yondaime a genius? I mean, Jirayia said Naruto was much like him and Tsunade said the 2 couldn't compare, but she was tauting Naruto...
     
  8. Tenacious D

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    yondaime, cuz sandaime chose him to be the hokage so he must be a genius
     
  9. Last of the Uchihas

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    Orochimaru since he was described by the strongest Hokage ever as a genius bursting with a lot of talent in a time still in chaos, and that this kind of genius came every few decades.
     
  10. The Elephant Kingsux

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    Yondaime. i always believe his great characteristic takes a huge part in naruto, and i truly believe that Rashegan is one of the best jutsu out there.
    (chidori looks better tho)
     
  11. iaido

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    Orochimaru. Yondaime was a hard work guy like Naruto. That doesn't mean that Yondaime can't kill Orochimaru in two seconds though.
     
  12. KuwabaraTheMan

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    Yondaime's about 20 years younger then Orochimaru.

    Orochimaru is a genius that only comes along every 40 or 50 years.

    Therefore, Orochimaru is the greater genius.
     
  13. Rokudaime

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    The 4th.

    Orochimaru was about 30~40 years when he try to research the Immortality Jutsu while the 4th is just baout 20++ years old already create 2 or 3 jutsu that beyond the reality.
     
  14. Twizted

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    Look what Yondaime did...and he was only half *est* the age of Orochimaru. I'd give it to the 4th. He also succeeded the 3rd because at that point he was better, yet still the best Orochimaru could do was pull off a draw, (or loss depending on how you want to look at it) with all of his Jutsus. To cap it off, the 3rd beat Orochimaru with one of the 4th's jutsus.

    So in conclusion..... :yondaime PWNS :oro
     
  15. Heldensheld

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    Orochimaru created a bunch of jutsu we've never seen.
    Yondaime has friends.

    Yondaime pawns a dark lonely Orochimaru
     
  16. Raistlin-sama

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    they are even... if the Yondaime is a genius-type that is
     
  17. UZUMAKI NARUT0

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    we can't say at this point, i'm sure they both have more accompishments that have yet to be shown, especially because Yondaime is the greatest of all time. So we'll just have to wait and see.
     
  18. stormrunner

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    No doubt, Shiki fuuin can't be surpassed in my boob, uh book. (to much time in the bathhouse :D )
     
  19. Kimi Sama

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    Ah I hadnt considered the fact Yondaime was only in his 20s when he died, whilst Oro was at least mid 30s when he left Konoha and is now mid 50s. Theres also the fact that Yondy didnt need to kidnap an violate tons of people to come up with his techniques lol.
    I wonder what more Yondy could have come up with if he had lived to Saru's ripe old age?
    I'm hoping for another Yondy flashback so we can see some more of his stuff, and hopefully Oro will have new things to show when he reappears later on.

    Anywho... I think I'm tipped towards The Yellow Flash for now.
     
  20. Saitenzoji

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    Well, if Naruto is much like Yondaime as Jiraiya says, then it must be the same vice versa; therefore, Yondaime is the hardworking type.
    With this information, we can conclude that Orochimaru is the genius in that field.

    However, when it comes to jutsus...they seem somewhat equal, with Orochimaru being a little better.
    Orochimaru was able to obtain the most twisted Immortality Jutsu by experimenting on other living beings.
    Spoiler: Yondaime's jutsu
    As stated in one of the earlier spoilers in this thread, Yondaime was able to obtain the most useful jutsu by using a kunai, which was the "Body Flicker" Jutsu.

    Orochimaru can transfer/seal his soul to another body, without dying.
    Yondaime can seal the only Kyuubi...with dying.
    Orochimaru has the upperhand as well when it comes to Rasengan...Why? Well, Yondaime didn't create the Rasengan technique, if I'm right (I'm 80% sure I am...), Jiraiya was the one who created that technique.
     
  21. Naruto_Heart

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    too bad the 20% of uncertainty proves to be your downfall.

    Rasengan was created by Yondaime...and please do not go on arguing about it...it will only serves to embarass yourself if you insists on your "Jiraiya created Rasengan" stance.

    As for the greater genius thing,

    please do remember Yondaime at a tender age of 20plus already came up with Rasengan (A-ranked), Shiki Fuujin (S-ranked? or unranked?), Hiraishin no jutsu (S-ranked).

    If he was allowed to live till Orochimaru's current age, what kind of jutsu would he be able to come up with? It shudders me just to think of it.
     
  22. lucky

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    I think ORochimaru is the bigger genius.


    But i think Yondaime is the better ninja.
     
  23. oski

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    i think that yondaime with his speed can defeat Oro, cause he wouldn't be able to defend himself on time and OODAMA RASENGAN will already spin him like tornado
     
  24. Darts

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    didnt orochimaru learn a lot of his jutsus from forbidden scrolls he stole
     
  25. ghostgal

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    They've both used their best moves and Yondy's died while Oro's alive. Oro is the greater genius.
     
  26. Raistlin-sama

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    no... I don't know where in the seven hells you got that idea from...
     
  27. BattousaiMS

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    Yondaime should be the greater genius. I mean he did develop a jutsu pretty much out of the blue while having to deal with Kyuubi. (sure it might have taken more then 1 day of battle but that still developping those seals under intense pressure).

    While Orochimaru took years and years to developpe his.
     
  28. Naruto_Heart

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    Huh? So that's your definition of genius?

    What an ingenius way to distinguish the level of genius.


    Let you give you another cheesy way of comparing them

    Yondaime died sealing the most powerful demon in Naruto,

    Orochimaru lost his arms fighting an old geezer.

    So Yondaime is the greater genius.
     
  29. Anego

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    maybe oro is genius... I still wonder about it.. I had red 'til gaiden and still have small information on Yondaime. I guess, Yondaime - if not a genius - is a wise person, not a genius one. but becoz he's wise, he looks genius.
     
  30. Tsukiyomi

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    Please don't revive threads that have been dead for almost a year.

    To be back on topic, Yondaime was considered by Jiraiya and Tsunade to be the greatest genius of all time.
     
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