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Who Remembers The Times When Sage Mode Had Limits?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by saboltgene, Nov 27, 2018.

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  1. saboltgene Jigen's Son

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    Right now it's like it never had any limits since naruto can spam it like it's nothing. I think the same will apply with bolt's karma seal in the future coz that's how shounen powers are structured.
     
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    SM does have limits. Naruto got so strong that it doesn't bother him now. Then you had characters like Kabuto who modified their body to make the best use of SM while characters like Hashirama and Madara were so powerful that the limit didn't matter much.

    If you're citing the 5 minute time limit, then you'll need to consider how much these Senjutsu users can do in 5 mins, or in the short time they have the power active. You saw what Deva Path and Naruto could do in 5 seconds.
     
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    Naruto never uses Sage Mode very long anyway, when he does use it.
     
  4. Mider T Busting in and out of guts

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    This. Same as Sharingan draining chakra, once an Uchiha becomes extremely adept at using it the drain is so minimal its negligible.
     
  5. Wrecked Baloney Happy birthday Suigetsu!

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    Mitsuki was made to be able to use SM and do it well....
     
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    Kind of. IIRC Kakashi always had trouble, but likely his training during the time skip helped his tolerance. It was always established that Uchiha would be able to handle their eyes better than Kakashi. This was reiterated when Obito said that Danzo could only handle all those Sharingan due to Hashirama's cells.

    Now, Nagato is where things get complicated. This dude had the ultimate eyes and seemingly it took no toll on him while Obito could barely handle one. If we try to use a manga justification, we can assume it is because Nagato was a Rikudou like Madara and Hagoromo.

    If you ask how Nagato became a Rikudou... :kanyeshrug
     
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    How many fights actually last longer then 5 mins in the actual story.
     
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    The initial time limit given was from the fact Naruto had just learned it in a week. Mastery included extending the time limit and strategically turning it on and off as needed mid-battle.
     
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    What are you even talking about?

    Since when? He barely even uses Sage Mode anymore.
     
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    He's an Uzumaki... the clan with the strongest vitality... and a branch of the Senju
     
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    Sage mode had limits when Naruto was brand new to it and couldn't rely on Kurama to collect nature energy, but now he's got experience and synergy with his Digimon partnertailed beast, so he can not only make it last, he can do more with less.
     
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    Hmm not sure if I feel the same way. We're seeing a lot of characters fight each other all at once (Sasuke, Naruto, kages, Boruto vs. Momoshiki). While karma will likely shock us, I don't think Naruto will necessarily spam his way to wins. From the flash forward at least, it seems that something terrible happens to him, and probably Sauce as well.
     
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    Obito had the genes of Hashirama who was an Asura transmigrant, the epitome of Hagoromo's Yang.
     
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    Sorry, how does that invalidate the Uzumaki heritage?

    I'm talking about Nagato.

    Oh and... nobody who implanted Hashirama's DNA could even use abilities on par with Hashirama, except for Madara. Asura/Indra chakra clearly doesn't transfer very well except to the actual two who receive it the proper way.
     
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    Part of the Uzumaki's traits were the vitality/life force which is the same thing that Asura transmigrants would have. Nagato, though an Uzumaki, obviously did not have the traits on the level that an Asura transmigrant would have. Hence it is odd his body could handle the Rinnegan (despite the fact he isn't the original user) and was considered a Rikudou like Madara and Hagoromo. Obito had more Hashirama cells than Madara did, and could control it, and he was still unable to handle even 1.

    :psyduck
     
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    Uh what are you arguing?

    Uzumaki life force is greatest period with or without Asura alien bullshit.

    That's why he shits on Obito. His life force and stamina is that much greater.

    Hashirama cells... aren't enough. It's either you have the full Asura chakra or you have Uzumaki tier life force.
     
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    The Uzumaki are related to the Senju, it is obvious that their life force came from Asura i.e. Hagoromo's Yang.
     
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    That's different than being a transmigrant... that's apparent in the power difference.

    Far different. All shinobi traits are passed down from Hagoromo's family period but not all of the traits have to do with having the kind of chakra transmigrants do.

    If it did then there wouldn't be the massive gulf in power between transmigrants and other common shinobi.
     
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    Either way, the Uzumaki's life force is still inferior to that of Asura and his transmigrants. Obito should have been able to handle it if Nagato could seeing as, unlike Nagato he had no Indra traits...
     
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    I don't think it is straightforward. He had Harashima's goop but it didn't change him.
    When you look at Danzou, he had the sharingan attached to his arm which showed that it is a source of power but at the same time his body later struggled to contain Harashima's cells when his own reserves ran low.

    My guess is that there was limit on the chakra Obito could process whilst retaining control. His chakra would have to serve as a check to the Rinnegan and Harashima's cells.

    Nagato life force was able to focus on keeping the Rinnegan checked.

    This makes no sense. Of the two transmigrants known, one of them was an Uzumaki and the other Senju.

    If you meant to say descendants, you have no comparison.
     
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    Obito isn't a transmigrant... implanting Hashirama CELLS is not the same as being a transmigrant.
     
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    They'd still be superior to regular Senju/Uzumaki.
     
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    Uhhh no. Hashirama cells barely offer a fraction of their power to normal shinobi at great risk.

    Only Madara ever made full use of the cells and that's because he was also a transmigrant.

    Idk what anime manga you were following dear but Uzumaki outlive everyone and are the finest jinchuuriki.

    Neither Uchiha nor Hashirama inhereted life force at that level.
     
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  25. Ganta Not the Ganta from Narutobase. Stop Hollering PMs.

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    His chakra was never a means of suppression for the side of his eye that had Rinnegan. F-k are you talking about? :lmao

    @Platypus permission to cuss out people ma's


    No, language tells us that Obito "almost lost himself" (affecting him mentally rather than physically) by virtue of simply having Rinnegan. If the issue was physical, that's where Nagato's life force step in to help.
     
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    Both naruto and hashirama have mastered sage mood to the point that they can instantly draw in enough natural energy. They also likely have much longer time limits than naruto did fresh off of training.
     
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