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Who's more a Gary Stu: Minato or Itachi?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Bookworm, Jun 14, 2018.

Who's more a Gary Stu?

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  1. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    IMO Minato is more a Gary Stu, because he's just too perfect, he has no real flaw. Itachi has obvious flaws, so I question the notion he is even a Gary Stu. If he is Minato is probably more of one.
     
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    Itachi.

    Minato got put through the wringer during the war where as Itachi got his boots licked.
     
  3. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    There's no shame in Minato getting beat by God Tiers.
     
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    Except his peers (tobirama mostly) were doing objectively better than him throughout a good chunk of the fight and he never overshadowed the main characters.

    Conversely sasuke who should be stronger than Itachi during the kabuto fight constantly needed saving and was overshadowed by itachi.
     
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  5. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    Tobirama doing better than him isn't really bad.

    In what ways was Sasuke stronger than Itachi? He just had a better Amaterasu. Besides Itachi had to be saved twice.
     
  6. Reviewing Logic Peekaboo I see you! ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

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    Itachi by a mile

    What other BS Move will he bring out his pants to stop a enemy?

    MOves that come out of nowhere is Itachi's forte
     
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  7. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    That actually makes Itachi even more flawed than Minato, than he already is. The only way Itachi could prevail in that situation against Kabuto was using a plot hole jutsu, that only works with extreme luck and not that's not usable in 99.9% of battles.

    Not to mention Minato pulled SM and Kyuubi Mode out his butt.
     
  8. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    ....are you fucking kidding us? Itachi has to get an attack just to compete with a character blatantly stronger, out performs his brother who has the EMS, and this is after the bullshit he pulled in the Nagato fight.
     
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    so a mary sue

    Minato instead had a failed sage mode and was jobbing to people better then him without some ex machinima stuff

    even his kyuubi chakra was via the Kushina flashback before he came out with it
     
  10. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    Not to mention that Naruto, Sasuke, Hashirama, and Tobirama consistently out performed him despite Minato having Sage Mode (whcih he could use only for what, a second) and Kurama Chakra Mode. Hell he was the first and only Edo Tensei to suffer fucking PERMANENT DAMAGE!
     
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  11. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    @Reviewing Logic and @SuperSaiyaMan12 can you guys post where he was getting outperformed? I don't remember that happening. except for him getting his arms cut off.
     
  12. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    Lets see:

    • Tobirama saves Minato from the exploding Gudodama and realizes that the Gudodama causes permanent damage
    • Naruto and Sasuke consistently are at the front, hammering Obito hard and keeping him on his toes
    • Minato can't figure out how to damage Obito, Naruto figures it out by using Senjutsu
    • Naruto comes up with the way to save the entire alliance while Minato can't do anything

    There are several more examples.
     
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  13. Bookworm Well-Known Member

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    - Tobirama had a kb, Tobirama simply got to Minato before Minato teleported and teleported himself. It's not like Minato couldn't have done the same thing, it just would have destroyed his body.
    - Minato said that Naruto and Sasuke would be the main act.
    - Naruto just said before Minato did. Besides Minato was focusing on rehabilitating Obito.
    - I don't remember this part.
     
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    Now now lets not start downplaying minato too much....he saved the alliance via warping the juubidama again teleported the whole alliance via ftg ......the whole alliance would be dead without him twice over....took out madaras guodama etc but the awnser to this question is itachi easily....kishi kinda went quite hard on minato in the war arc but itachi is almost never portrayed in a losing situation even against blatantly superior opponents. He is kishis golden boy...
     
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    Both, but the real underdogs is Sasuke and Madara who had to be jobbers to the good guys and get their shit kicked in taijutsu to hype the others in foiling their ungodly doujutsu skills.
     
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    - Itachi was lost against Kakashi the 2nd time and against Kabuto he received 2 normally fatal wounds.

    - Not being in an losing situation really isn't that bad, especially in comparison to Minato's flawlessness. It's very clear Kishi didn't want to make Itachi perfect especially as an combatant.
     
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    Itachi. Before Minato was revived in the war he was one of the 2 golden boys of wank, but his Mary Sue aura was completely destroyed after he was revived during the war. Itachi's remained perfectly in tact.
     
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    Lol what Itachi didn't lose to Kakashi that was a clone and he obviously wasn't going all out.

    Itachi tamed Kabuto petting him on the head like a dog.


    Obvious answer is Itachi... Itachi has never lost a fight unless he wanted to, always gets excuses like sickness bs, and never goes all out. Even Kishi said he was too perfect.
     
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    They both benefitted greatly for being the chief benchmarks for both MCs for the majority of the manga.
     
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    Kishi's golden boys are Hashirama & Asspulldara.

    Minato got a lot of shit during the war arc.
    itachi got some as well. It's just people put some excuses to itachi.

    Example:
    Minato got his hand chopped off by JJ Obito >>>>> Kishi shits on Minato/he got defeated
    Kabuto cut itachi in half by SM Kabuto (who is several tiers weaker than Obito) >>> nah, that's fine. Itachi planned it all.

    Stuff like that I guess. But Kishi moved on from them to ride Hashi/Asspulldara's dick/pussy. :catshrug
    Although to answer the thread, Kishi prefers itachi over Minato obviously. So, he is the obvious answer. :catshrug
     
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    ashirama:
    1- Helped doing that barrier to trap the Juubi
    2- pinned the Juubi down with his gates.
    3-helped the Sage to summon team 7 from Kaguya's space.

    * though he was bad thing as well because madara took his SM.


    Tobirama.
    1- Helped doing the barrier as well.
    2- Took Obito's Gedo-dama away from Minato, Naruto, and Sasuke
    3- teleported SM Naruto to land a hit on obito
    4- Teleported BSM Naruto and BM Minato to attack obito
    5- Teleported Rinnegan Sasuke to fight along side Naruto
    6- saved to alliance fodders from the Tree.
    7- Worked with Minato to make Naruto and Sasuke able to hit obito
    8- helped the Sage to summon team 7 from Kaguya's space.

    Hiruzen.
    1- helped with the barrier to trap the Juubi
    2- fought the Buddha, and saved the exhausted alliance
    3- Saved Naruto's life from the Tree.
    4- helped the Sage to summon team 7 from Kaguya's space.

    Minato.
    1- Saved the entire alliance from the Juubi's TBB
    2- teleported the Hokages to his Kunais which made it much faster and more effectively.
    3- Helped with the barrier
    4- Stopped obito from using the RT the first time.
    5- Saved Naruto and Sasuke's lives from obito
    6- worked with Tobirama to make Naruto and sasuke able to land a hit on obito.
    7- restored Naruto's BM which made him able to continue the fight.
    8- saved the entire alliance from obito's 4 TBB.
    9- restored Naruto's BM again after he got drained from the Tree.
    10- allowed Tobirama to use his chakra-less body to save the 2 alliance fodders.
    11- made the chakra arms to make everyone help to pull the Bijuus out of obito.
    12- When he sealed Kurama inside of obito, that made obito able to live, and thus helping Naruto to get the Bijuus he lack, and
    saved his life as well.
    13- Saved Guy from madara's attack
    14- He took most of Madara's Gedu-damas, leaving him with only 1, which made it easier to attack him.
    15- Even the Kunais he left on the battlefield was helpful for Tobirama to teleport Sasuke to Naruto. XD
    16- helped the Sage to summon team 7 from Kaguya's space.
     
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    Itachi

    Dude never really took an L in this entire manga

    I mean sure, some characters may have tagged him every now and then...But he either meant for it to happen, or made them pay for it way harder in the long run and gets the W anyway
     
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    True, though Minato saved the day far more times than any other Hokage while Hiruzen was anticlimatically defeated in short order and Hashi's fight was mostly off-paneled...plus it ultimately ended in his failure. Tobirama got most of his credit for being amazing...by being the somewhat weaker version of Minato who improved Hirashin beyond Tobirama's level.
     
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    I never said the other Kages did better than him tho. Those who say the other Hokages outperformed Minato are full of shit. :lmao

    in Tobirama's case, it was a matter of expectations. Minato was there long before him with feats/hype...etc. So, people were expecting too much, perhaps even defeating Juubi's host. However, Tobirama had nothing before that. So, whatever Tobirama does would be "above their expectations". Hence, the delusion that he did better....

    And you see silly examples like "Tobirama took the Ged-Dama before Minato. Therefore, he is better"
    But you don't see people saying "Hiruzen saved Naruto before Tobirama could. Therefore, he is better"

    And those interceptions feats are extremely common in the manga anyway. :catshrug
     
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    None of them fits the complete description.
     
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    Itachi. He got a perfect new jutsu for every situation.
     
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    Why is this even a question? The author himself acknowledged Itachi to be a flawless Gary Stu. :catdefeat

    Minato only felt like a Gary Stu because he didn't really appear in the story for longer than a 2 chapter flashback until the war arc. In that setting he was reduced to just a really powerful Hokage, but nothing more.
     
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    In what way is he a Su?

    Is he among the strongest?
    Is he among the most talented?
    Is he morally superior?
     
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    Is regarded as such even in situations where it doesn't make sense.

    Is regarded as such even in situations where it doesn't make sense.

    See above.

    TLDR its how the manga portrays him as apposed to what he actually is.
     
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