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Why Have No Independent Filmmakers Produced Major Films, Recently?

Discussion in 'Konoha Theatre' started by DemonDragonJ, Oct 22, 2018.

  1. DemonDragonJ The Man

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    I have previously complained about how giant corporations are now far too powerful, and further evidence of that excessive power is the fact that all or most of the major films in recent years have been produced by major corporations.

    Think of any major blockbuster film that was released in the past decade, and it likely was released by a massive entertainment conglomerate; no films that made significant impacts or became major sensations have been released by tiny independent filmmakers, which I find to be very unfortunate. In a cruel twist of irony, some of the world’s best-known and most influential filmmakers, such as Walt Disney, Steven Spielberg, or George Lucas, began their careers as small and independent filmmakers, but now are the very embodiment of corporate greed and megalomania that is plaguing the world of entertainment, today. I do believe that Tim Burton, thankfully, could still be regarded as less than mainstream, but even his newer films do not seem to have the same appeal as his older films because they have been released by large corporations.

    What happened to the avant-garde filmmakers of previous decades, such as Ralph Bakshi, Don Bluth, or Stanley Kubrick? Where are the small and independent filmmakers who dare to defy commercial conventions and oppose the mainstream mediocrity that the giant corporations are forcing on the consumers? If such filmmakers still exist, why are they not receiving more attention? What does everyone else say about this? Why have there not been any major films from minor filmmakers, recently?
     
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    This is all you do these days DDJ
     
  3. DemonDragonJ The Man

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    Seriously? You posted in this thread simply to make a post such as this? Would it really have been that difficult for you to actually contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way?
     
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    * Making films today is much more expensive and complicated than it was in the past. Audiences expect a certain standard, so you're not gonna get away with Star Trek: The Original Series-level special effects.

    * There are many more entertainment options today than in the past. It used to be that the only thing to do on the weekend was go to the movies, and the theater might be playing only one film per day, so you had to either take it or leave it. But today if you don't like anything of what's playing in the multiplex there's Netflix, World of Warcraft, or online porn to keep you busy.

    That means studios today face higher costs and greater risks than before. You could lose hundreds of millions of dollars if your movie isn't successful at pulling people from their iPads.

    They're therefore reluctant to fund untested filmmakers with ideas that haven't been proven popular yet.

    And if you haven't got funding, you can't do shit, even if you're the next George Lucas. You being him up as an "independent filmmaker", but there's no way he could have made Star Wars without the checkbook of 20th Century Fox behind him. Or how else was he going to fly his entire crew to Tunisia to shoot the Tatooine exterior scenes?
     
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  5. DemonDragonJ The Man

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    I thought that, with all the advances that have occurred in technology, recently, making films would be easier and less expensive.

    Should that not make it easier for independent filmmakers to attract attention and gain recognition?

    I was not talking about giant studios; I was referring to minor filmmakers who rely on word-of-mouth to become known, rather than multi million dollar marketing campaigns.

    One of the reasons that prompted me to make this thread was that too many animated films today look terribly similar to each other, making them a monotonous and bland montage of mediocrity; Pixar films have their own distinct and easily recognizable style, but is there really any way to distinguish, from a brief glance, a Dreamworks film from a Blue Sky film or an Illumination Pictures film?

    Back in the 1980's an 1990's, there were plenty of films, film studios, and filmmakers whose animation styles were distinct, such as Ralph Bakshi (famous for Wizards, Fire and Ice, and the 1978 Lord of the Rings), Don Bluth, Rankin-Bass (famous for the 1977 Hobbit, the 1980 Return of the King, and The Last Unicorn), or the 1981 Heavy Metal film; all of those films and their makers had very distinct styles that were very different from each other, a variety that I sorely miss in today's atmosphere. Thankfully, the upcoming Spiderman: Into the Spider-Verse has its own very unique art style that looks nothing like that of any other animated film in recent years, so, if it is successful, it may inspire more film studios to experiment with unusual animation styles.
     
  6. Deathbringerpt Dreamer of Possibilities

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    Watch Mandy.

    They're still out there, they're just harder to find due to all the bullshit excess you have nowadays.
     
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    There are plenty of independent films being released, many make it into normal movie theatres. Its just that most people would rather watch stupid crap with big celebrities than something that might or might not be good without major celebrities. And filmographers have been complaining about that since at least the 1930s.
     
  8. MartialHorror The Convicted Cinephile!

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    The problem with your point though is that it's all relative. Mike Flanagan hasn't become part of the hollywood hype machine, but he's gradually become regarded as one of the best horror directors of the time. What about Denis Villeneuve? Alejandro G. Iñárritu? Uwe Boll? Jeremy Saulnier?

    It's easy to say "where is the Stanley Kubrick of our generation?", but Kubrick didn't become an icon until the later part of his career. Don't forget that "The Shining" was not especially well received upon release, so it wasn't like his films were untouchable.

    There is certainly truth to the industry favoring franchises, but even then, is it any different from the 1970's, where critics complained about the same thing with the success of the original "Star Wars"? Is it worse now? Probably. But people usually watch things like "Ex Machina" because of word-of-mouth, not usually because of the official promotional material. I think the MCU is sort of becoming a problem, because there's less chance of fatigue when the majority of these movies aren't immediate sequels to each-other, even though they kind of are. Most franchises don't have three releases in the same year, so that does restrict other films.
     
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    Because I would rather spent my time wanking at online forums and rewriting stuff because I am a perfectionist? give me some time and I'll do a pretty cool short film alright lad?
     
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    Uh DDJ you're like completely wrong. There are large scale Independent films out all the time, you just seem to be missing them. I just finished one a few mins ago.
     
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    Do you think Netflix legit interferes less like they say?

    Can they have streambusters?
     
  12. Deathbringerpt Dreamer of Possibilities

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    This thread just feels like blowing lazy hot air. Independent filmmakers have literally never stopped making larger production movies and this idea that there's no passion project films that shy away from the mainstream is fucking ridiculous. People invest more time complaining about the mainstream aspect of their hobby on internet forums than actually exploring and watching the genuine shit that's out there.
     
  13. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    They are probably not cranking it out like they did in the 90s but the DTV market got hurt far worse. shooting schelude for a DTV action movie went to a miniscule time window compared to what it was.
     
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    netflix always greenlits low quality stuff, getting a netflix series produced its a joke these days. Srsly.
     
  15. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    So did the old studios if there was a demand for it. You don't just want to be HBO if you want to grow after a certain point.
     
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    wanabe hbo
    like vikings is wanabe game of thrones.
     
  17. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    shit, Vikings went there also.

    Why would Netflix be wannabe HBO?

    Scale of Netlfix movies >>>>>>>>>>>Scale of HBO movies.
     
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    So their movies are crap then? big deal, their strong are the series and in that sense HBO has a A LOT of popular ones under its belt.

    Netflix had house of cards but... well.. we know how that one turned out.
     
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    I'd say Netflix has a pretty strong set of series. Maniac was fucking sweet. The problem is that a homeless Russian could probably get his show greenlit for 2 seasons with a basic pitch so it's a cesspool of garbage. Even still, it's not that hard to find quality stuff. They've been delivering very strong movies throughout the years.
     
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    Why would this be bad thing?

    I don't thnink their best is crap.
     
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    Kamal doesn't know what he's talking about here either. Netflix releases some of its movies to Theaters first (same as Amazon). Usually movies for niche demographics like older folks who may not use Netflix.
     
  22. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    In what universe did i say they never release any movie into theatres? Their main thing is still streaming till they buy a theater chain or build one.

    i will kick your ass like usually do. Send a postcard about your impotent rage when i am finished.
     
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  23. Mider T VM Zombie

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    I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about your other "mad for no reason" posts. They're wrong as always.

    Please don't bring your delusion ravings about "kicking ass" in here. We all know your schtick
     
  24. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    So you are just came in to derail the thread?

    Your shchtick is saying you are ideology police than looking impotent.

    Also it's not a schtick if you cannot shut me up or chase me away.
     
  25. DemonDragonJ The Man

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    How very weird that I have not seen any; can you name any such films?
     
  26. MartialHorror The Convicted Cinephile!

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    Just don't bother, dude. You're feeding him.
     
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    I don't self identify as a troll.

    Are you an i only watch American films type?
     
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    You don't get a choice. You can't argue against biology.

    Now get back under the bridge. That's where the troll bathroom is.
     
  29. The Kamal Haasan Crazy Hour Well-Known Member

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    Evolution made me and humans self aware.
     
  30. DemonDragonJ The Man

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    Definitely not; I do not care about a film's country of origin, only that it is an enjoyable and well-written film.
     
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