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Why HxH is the peak of the top?

Discussion in 'Hunter x Hunter' started by Keishin, Dec 25, 2018.

  1. Keishin

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    And why he is
    The Cream of the Crop​


    Here we have gathered today to understand the minimum requirements to become something that only Togashi can be. Something that only the best of the best of the best can be.

    Crazy off the walls writing you can expect from the Best?
    Without You chapter.


    Intense chapters?
    Halkenburg face-off with King Nasubi.


    Crazy shounen powers presented in an original way?
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    Fantastic artwork?


    Amazing plot twists?


    The ability to think outside of the box in order to write events unlike other mangaka.
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    Only the Best has the skills to write a story so that it makes the readers uneasy about the choices and actions that all of the characters make. It's not about a hero powering up with a dark power like any other shounen that made Gon and Pitou moments so great. The plot subtly changes constantly and foreshadows really cleverlay the next changes without getting stuck to a certain mold. It's strong substance over just doing shit.
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    The ability to bring true stakes to the story instead of just hyping it up with some bs like fights, give a pitiful red herring n shit that the good guy will get wrecked like Frieza on Namek. That's not what mangaka are able to really do. But one man is.


    Complexity, multilayered characters, dialogue and events? Who is able to create characters like no other?
    Togashi.
     
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  2. Intus Legere

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    I only disagree with the choice for "fantastic artwork". At least 2 panels of those you posted were much better in my opinion (Halkenburg confronting Nasubi, Tserriednich's beasts, maybe even Camilla and the Million Lives Cat).

    I'm not sure HxH is the best manga ever in those aspects you posted since I've only read 30 or so mangas, but it is by far the one I enjoyed the most in all those years.
     
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    overwhelming the reader with the sheer number of characters isn't smart writing
     
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    When it comes to handling of events professionally with some complexity and multi layered nature where things move AND change the plot at the same time all the time instead of linear progression like every other shounen does (super boring) I literally can't think of many other series that come close to it. Even Urasawa can't do it like that (but his presentation in writing is another level).

    it has as many characters as is required for the content...
     
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    I don't feel overwhelmed at all. As long as these characters do their part, it's okay by me -- and so far, it's too early to judge. Chimera Ant arc also had an overwhelming number of characters, and in the end it's a well told story if you ask me.

    The only thing I really dislike about Hunter x Hunter lately is the amount of seemingly pointless information. However there is of information that is RELEVANT and yet people who don't really keep up with the manga accuse of being irrelevant.
     
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    It's not the best manga ever (that title goes to Slam Dunk as far as I'm concerned), but it certainly has some of the most interesting storylines and most complex characters.
     
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    The world he's created and the story he's written has outgrown the initial storyline and protagonists.
    Gon,Killua,Kurapika and Leorio are of no relevance when it comes to why I like HxH and if Togashi wrote them out of the story to focus on something else I'd still be interested.

    I don't like stories where one or two characters are the center of the universe and everything that goes down in the story is either their doing or directly related to them.
     
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    strong candidate
    as far as self contained manga goes, my best is akira (inoue's and urasawa's mangas are up there too)
    it's much harder to tell for long running mangas
     
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    Maybe because you are a plebeian whose sub 100 IQ can't fathom the complexity of this manga
     
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    Wow i go negged for my last post :( -6000 points OUCH. Ye Xiu was not happy :(
     
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    Case in point the main character never even met the most powerful enemy in the series thus far, let alone beat him.
     
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    In the same arc we had fantastic cases of character writing, e.g. Knov's mental breakdown:

     
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    Well, depending on your definition of "met", Gon did meet Meruem.

     
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    They never actually met
     
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    Everything beside the art is top notch and what the art lacks in consistency it makes up for in raw intensity (think Hisoka's first bloodlust face Island exam)

    That said, the things i appreciate the most are:

    * almost no Shonen power creep. The nen system allows for conditionally op characters while still maintaining a ceiling roughly around early characters like illumi or Hisoka
    * plots having characters aside from the mc playing from their unique motivations. Even if they don't always amount to anything I enjoyed the spiders on Greed island or the palace scheming in cell saga
    * non powerlevel based magic. Some if the most badass powers are centered around total weaklings (perfect plan, future girl, ...)
     
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    Everything except the "fantastic artwork" is on point. I mean, you're really stretching it there bruh :tupac
     
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    He's actually a beast when he tries. That scene with Halk and his dad is really well drawn, and Togashi is a master at setting a mood and expressions.

    That being said shit is no where near consistent :tupac
     
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    C'mon bro, 90% of that is his aides
     
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    I wouldn't call it objectively good but I think it's an interesting design choice. It's nice to see characters from previous arcs interacting with new arc stuff. But it's probably bad in the long term since it causes bad pacing like the one we have now.
     
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    The way I see HxH is pretty good for what it does: a deconstruction of a genre that tells brainy stories in an unique way. It doesn't quite have the ambition of some other manga though, in the sense of trying to create huge pay-offs, but it creates some really unique characters and plot resolutions, such as Meruem's or Kurapika's stories. You will never see an epic battle like Yusuke vs Toguro in HxH, but you will see stuff you don't see anywhere else.

    I'm watching Monogatari right now and I notice they are quite similar in that way: Monogatari also plays with genre conventions and sometimes outright refuses to deliver climaxes, but in the flipside gives us original character-driven stories. Though I think I'm enjoying Monogatari more overall.
     
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    Monogatari lacks the depth hxh has :closed
     
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    That isn't depth that's gore.

    Hellsing does it better.
     
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    That's just having a lot of characters.

    A Song of Ice and Fire does that one better.
     
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    There is this webcomic I read called Girl Genius which also has a gazillion characters with multiple conspirations and relations between them. It's great.

    And it has better pacing than Togashi too, despite being a webcomic.
     
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    I think HxH's character depth is great I just like Monogatari more right now. It's more emotionally fulfilling imo.

    Though it has way too much fanservice that keeps it from being a 10/10.
     
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    A Song of Ice and Fire doesnt have Pariston
     
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    Are you kidding me? It has Littlefinger AND Varys.
     
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    Togashi is a much more professional writer than some web toon creator .
    Chapter 400 this year guys. :peperave
     
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