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Why Kaido didn't use human form vs Oden

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Corax, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. Corax

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    Ok,in the 970 some people were wondering why he didn't use human form vs Oden. In this chapter we see the answer. Seems like they both used haki attacks (Divine thunder for Kaido likely,as black lightnings are sparking around their weapons) but neither had any advantage. Human form seems isn't any better than dragon form vs Oden at least.
     
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    I guess it's like Luffy not starting immediately in G4 against an opponent, he starts with his "weaker" form and then if the opponents is stronger he switches to Human form
     
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    We still ain't even see the Hybrid form:gar
     
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    I'm still half expecting him to be a dragon who ate a human fruit at this point, so the dragon is his base form.
     
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    Kaidou wants the public to see him only in his dragon form.

    And I don't think it was a stalemate. It looked like oden was just going to end everything but he simply couldn't.
     
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  6. Shiba D. Inu

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    Oden > Kaido
     
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    The way Kaido holds his club seems like he just blocked Odens attack. Also why should it be divine thunder, we talk about CoC users and CoA users here
     
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    I believe his dragon form is both his weakest and his slowest form. He uses it to annihilate the opponent's morale. His hybrid form is most likely only used when he considers the opponent to be capable of truly killing him. That is why I believe he severely underestimated Oden. He should've used a smaller, more agile form against such an enemy.
     
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    This is an easy one.

    Kaido used dragon form for the AoE since they were in a war. He rained down fire. He also uses the dragon form to transport easily from Onigashima to Wano (or wherever else). His human form is his base fighting form. His hybrid is obviously the most powerful and we will only see it when he takes someone seriously.
     
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    I see no indication Kaidou human form is > Dragon Form. For Zoan users their Animal form or partial transformations have always been stronger then their base Human form, that’s like the point of a Zoan Fruit lol. This idea that Kaidou Human form is his strongest form is just another made up thing to protect Liadou rep.

    So he used his Dragon form against Oden the second time because his Human form didn’t do shot the first time, which Liado went along with Orochi plan to avoid fighting Oden in the first place. Oden beating up his Dragon form just shows that even his stronger form wasn’t doing dick to Oden. The only thing Kaidou stan can pray for is awakening at this point and hybrid forms
     
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    hundred hostages Laidoh defence team scrambling for excuses :carlton
     
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    Featwise, his dragon form is only superior when it comes to AOE. Aside from the obvious agility disadvantage, his dragon form provides the enemy with a way bigger target, not to mention the lack of his club in his arsenal. Against G3 Luffy, Drunk Kaido saw that his dragon form was inefficient, therefore he switched to his human form and proceeded to one shot his G4 form.
     
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    I don’t get it... Kaidou survived a battle with a distracted Oden while also outnumbering him and blackmailing him.

    Oden was turned to an idiot, So Kaidou got away with his trickery but come 5 years later when Kaidou has only gotten stronger... was still cut like butter and was almost 2 shotted, so nah I don’t buy this shit.

    Kaidou isn’t that much weaker in any of his forms only his hybrid stands at the top.
     
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    people post Oden=Kaido, Oden>Kaido and shit like that

    but hybrid form is like 2x stronger than base Kaido or dragon form Kaido
     
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    Dont think there was a battle

    Oden clashed once and then Orochi interrupted
     
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    It was only one panel but Oden was in there with them for hours apparently.

    Only logical conclusion is that together with Barrier user, Kaidou and his men were able to stall Oden till he came down a little and Orochi slipped in the blackmail.
     
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    Where did you get that from? Stop headcanoning stuff out of existence. It was clearly a stalemate up until orochi presented his plan. Neither kaido nor oden were sure they could take each other out. I bet orochi toi hence he used that momo shit. And guess what oden was about to do? They were planing to go kill the man while he was drunk and or sleeping. Those aren’t things you do to someone you are superior to.
    @MasterBeast why are you so intent on downplaying kaido mate? The panel clearly shows kaido alone with oden. None of his men were there and oden was litteraly turning his back on orochi who was inside his barrier. This lasted a while as per the manga and then orochi proposed his offer. If oden could take kaido out he would’ve and then there would be no use threatening giving him offerings to kill and whatever.
     
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    we know Oden > Kaido, because Kaido himself said so !

    and also later got carved up to prove it
     
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    When did he say that?
     
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    I'm talking about when Oden went to orochi's castle 5 years ago. Oden and kaidou clashed.

    I'm sure oden knew he can't beat kaidou easily. I'm sure oden didn't think he'd lose no top tier willed charatcer in one piece ever think they will lose. But he knew it wouldn't be easy. And kaidou knew it wouldn't be easy too 5 years ago, but he didn't think he'd lose.

    You guys are just stupid arguing this shit
     
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    Panel with him saying that?
     
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    Doesn't exist. He usually just make shit up by taking things out of context and slapping them with a new one.
     
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    ch. 970, open your eyes :drake
     
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    So basically you agree with me, neither oden nor kaido knew they could take the W for sure. Hence why oden tried to assassinate kaido in his sleep or while drunk. And kaido took advantage of his distraction.

    Show us the panel or gtfo. Im getting tired of your shit tier trolling. People are trying to have normal conversations backed up by facts, if you wanna act like a clown go somewhere else. However you are more than welcome to converse in an adult manner here, show us the panel. Ive shown mine where he litterally says no such thing.
     
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    HIS DRAGON FORM ISN'T WEAKER THAN HIS HUMAN FORM.
     
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    Agreed.. Like in Fullmetal Alchemist, Envy is way more destructive in his true form but is rendered useless af against Mustang in that form because he is a bigger target and way less agile.

    Also, Ling > human form envy but True form envy > ed and ling

    So the same can be said regarding the whole Kaido dragon/form where it is situational.
    Imagine they're at war, Dragon form is easily more destructive than human form.
    But in a 1v1 scenario human form is better suited to fight with. Unless he fights smart flying out of reach and just spam his dragon fire from a safe distance.
     
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    His dragon form is more destructive.
     
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    I don’t think oden stomps Kaidou and just as Oda loves to do long day fights, in a 1v1 against Kaidou, it would take a couple days.

    The reason I downplay Kaidou is because he is wanked way too hard, Oda says one thing about him and does the other, this whole FB I ain’t even mad at either Oden and Kaidou as it’s actually abnormal for any character to behave the way they did.

    We have yet to see why Kaidou is even considered the WSC as of yet, this 1v1 thing, this land, sky and water all are just hype that isn’t paying off, as I’ve to you many times, I like strong characters, the cliche strong that is Kaidou could have been my favourite, but nah, not after the way Oda is handling him.


    Personally I was already cross from him 1HKOing luffy, like I’m cool with him stomping 4 SNs no problem (Kidd I even think is equal if not very close to luffy) but luffy after unleashing all this power and then even learning a new skill in FS, we’re at the point it makes zero sense for luffy to be getting 1HKO’d... it’s literally the lowest difficulty there is, Luffy goes prison and goes from being 1HKO’d and none of his attacks even doing a bit of damage to actually being in a full on battle against Kaidou and actually win WHILE BM is allied with Kaidou.

    I mean I liked Kata so that BS of a fight was whatever imo, as in it was just... I can’t even call it nakama power up or TnJ, luffy was taking way too many hits, logically he should have been down for the count against Kata but no, luffy just keeps getting back up. I don’t want to see the same thing against Kaidou, that would just be the worst.

    Oda has made it clear that he priorities the plot over battles but if the battles and power of characters doesn’t make any kind of sense, how is the plot suppose to?
     
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    two instances show otherwise, ill take the manga over your word if you dont mind.
    @MasterBeast That last part is again you projecting what you think will hapen. Luffy may not win against kaido and bm alliance, its impossible for him to do so at the moment. Heck even him wining against kaido alone with his group was a long stretch. You are talking about event that havent even happened so you cant judge based on that come on! And luffy is not gonna solo kaido anyways so what gives?
    And you do know that alliance is to conquer the world right? They arent even aware of luffys alliance and shoudnt care much. Why should they?
    Oda foreshadowed that Kaido will start the greatest war this world has ever seen. He also foreshadowed that the marines will be involved as well as other yonko and warlords. I say wait and see before judging stuff about event that may not even happen.
     
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    Zoans in full form are stronger, faster and more durable.
     
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