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Why the obliviousness?

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Vengarl, Sep 14, 2018.

  1. Vengarl Maniac fan club

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    I understand a poor opressed little kid in an isolated country not knowing who Luffy is or even that Ace is dead, but how could Holdem not recognize Luffy and Zoro? He's part of Kaidos crew and surely has access to newspapers or some kind of info so he should know, especially when he's had 2+ years to ascertain this stuff. Also everybody who knows Whitebeard or Ace died should also know about Luffy since he was front and center in the war too. Is he willfully ignorant and just doesn't care about anything that goes on even when he's a member of one of the biggest crews in the world?
     
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    They’re in disguise :mayuri
     
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    I suppose we are meant to believe that Luffy's/strawhats' acting and disguise as a Wano native is that convincing. Though I'm kind of skeptical about the disguise part as it doesn't really look that different from normal Luffy but then again their other disguise attempts in other arcs are not much better either. Or perhaps it's just evidence of how complacent/self assured the yonkou have become in that they are so used to the status quo/being unchallenged that there is no interest or real need to keep updated.
     
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    Looked like they were stood away from one another before Luffy knocked him the fuck out.

    I wouldn't recognise someone from far away unless I was really familiar with them.
     
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    Luffy didn’t even recognize his own crewmate Usopp in his Sniper king disguise. Looks like Holdem is not too far from him
     
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    Its zorojoru and luffytaro
     
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    Sugar used awakeing and made certain people forget about the SH's. :psyduck
     
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    This is pre tv. Being wanted means one picture of you and most people prob dont stare at an image till they save it in their brains.
    Especially when youre the bad guys of a yonkou crew.
    Villagers would be more incline to know outrageous pirates
     
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    But that's for Hawkins who actually has reason to be aware of Luffy.

    Holdem is a Yonko subordinate who has been stationed on Wano for a while now. Yonko crews don't have much respect for the Worst Generation anyway, and it isn't actually pertinent to his job for him to know who Luffy is.
     
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    What? :geg

    "Wano's an isolationist country, they don't have much info from outside"

    Implying they don't have newspaper (or rarely) and arn't aware of what happens outside, Holdem included (most likely).

    "This guy (Hawkins) is one of the few who know who we are"

    Implying only a few ppl -including Hawkins, know who they are. Hawkins already met them, so it's obvious. The other must be Drake, Kidd and Kaidou. Maybe a little few others (the calamities by exemple).

    In other words, Oda clearly explained here why nobody recognized them yet.

    Holdem included.

    There's imo nothing to discuss here. The panel is clear af.
     
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    It appears most of Kaido's crew is in the dark as well.

    Adding to that, Luffy and Zoro aren't even here at the moment, they sent Luffytaro and Zorojuro to Wano as a vanguard, and knowing their pension for subtlety and subterfuge, I doubt it will be traced back to them any time soon, if ever.
     
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    The question being asked is why a member of the Yonko crew who does have access to outside information wouldn't be aware of Luffy, which is requires a more specific explanation. We know that Kaido gets the paper.
     
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    It's possible Kaido just doesn't bother to tell his lower crew members anything.
     
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    Their job is to follow orders not read papers and have opinions.
     
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    Wait. Shouldn’t at least Kaido’s smile users know the people that stopped the production of smile? Or did we discover the power of Kaidos club when smashed on your wanted poster?
     
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    They probably have heard about them but simply don't know what they look like.
     
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