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Will Sasuke learn the Rasengan?

Discussion in 'Naruto Theories' started by BodyCollector, Apr 10, 2005.

  1. BodyCollector a.k.a. Jin Kakashi

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    i came to this question a long time ago... between the battle of sasuke and naruto.. Naruto exposes the rasengan 3 times to the sharingan eye of sasuke

    *the first one is in the hospital roof top...
    *the secong and third was the battle in the valley... where the 2nd is their first rasengan vs chidori clash.. and the 3rd time was with the evolve sharingan then CS2 sasuke...

    the sharingan can copy just seing it once.. and three is much of a possibilty...

    Sasuke may use this because its powerful and... limitless i think....
     
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  2. Kyuubi Naruto Hounds of Justice

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    Sasuke doesnt know the properties to use the Rasengan. Its much more then that. Also I think that hes not capeble of copying a move like that. He isnt....
     
  3. Shishou Under this eyepatch is an eye!

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    Rasengan is pure chakra, and revolves around knowing how it works and how to make your chakra spin like it does in a Rasengan. I doubt Sharingan, as overpowered as it is, can copy it.

    But if Sasuke does ever do Rasengan, ima stop watching this series. (no one really means it when they say these things, but I do)
     
  4. metronomy Active Member

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    ^ bit of a stupid reason to stop watching the series! what happens if Sasuke purposlly learnt rasengan over these 3 years timeskip! cause it sounds like something sasuke would do, just to try and prove he is better then Naruto!

    if sharingan was to copy it tho! i would be pissed! but i have a feeling it wont happen that way!
     
  5. BodyCollector a.k.a. Jin Kakashi

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    why not...? its compose of chakra... and it does'nt have a seal... sasuke is a genius...
    maybe if focus on it.. he can do it... the basic skills are just like tree walking and water walking... and making it a sphere... maybe its hard though... there might be a posiblity neh?
     
  6. Grave embodied in love and shadow

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    I don't think Sasuke will learn it, nor does he need to. As much as people want to argue about which is better, when it comes down to it they are pretty much equal to each other. They simply differ in their methods of destruction, Rasengan blowing out while Chidori is a piercing strike.

    Sasuke will perfect his Chidori and remain on par with Naruto's Rasengan.
     
  7. stomponfrogs still

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    Naw, I don't think he will. He will just stick with Chidori.
     
  8. Sawako

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    Sasuke already has chidori. They gave Naruto rasengan to match the chidori. Giving Sasuke rasengan as well is just too much.
     
  9. TenshiOni Active Member

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    Well, according to Jyuuken's thread on doujutsu, Sasuke can technically copy the Rasengan.

    Will he ever use it though? Nah, I doubt it.
     
  10. mgrace Guess Who's Back?!?!?!

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    It took Yondaime 2 years to master Rasengan.. What chance does Sasuke have...
    NONE!!!!
     
  11. lilsting New Member

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    rasengan is not a jutsu.. its a form of chakra control so sasuke wont be able to copy it... like walking on water or when they ran up that tree your not able to copy the way you control the chakra
     
  12. raijin Member

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    Rasengan has already been stated by Jiraiya, as well as the Official Character Data Book, to be an A Rank level NINjutsu.
     
  13. Kenji310 五月天

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    I don't think Sasuke can learn the Rasengan that easily. Tops is that he can do the rasengan to lvl 2. Meaning step 2 of when Jiraiya was teaching Naruto, but yeah there are alot of things the Sharingan can't learn. For example the Chidori. If it was that easy then why dind't Sasuke just use Sharingan while Kakashi was doing it and boom. He would have had it.
     
  14. Seraphim Immortally Insane

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    Since it doesn't require hand seals I doubt he ever will.
    He doesn't need to learn it anyway.. He obviously takes pride in the Chidori
     
  15. Wrath Mourning

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    Sasuke will never, ever, ever, ever learn the Rasengan. There is an X factor in the Rasengan that only a very few people will ever be able to learn it, and Sasuke is not one of those people. What the X factor is we don't know for sure yet, but there is one.
     
  16. Master Gohan New Member

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    Saskuke couldn't copy the Chidori because he never saw it. The first time Kakashi did it, Sasuke was presumably dead because of Haku. Eyes closed. The second time Kakashi did it, Sasuke was passed out from exhaustion after the Chuunin exam preliminaries. Eyes closed again. And plus Sasuke doesn't keep the Sharingan out all the time so he had to be taught the Chidori.

    As for the Rasengan, I don't think the Sharingan can copy that one anyway. It is a jutsu and the Sharingan is passive in its copying, but there are no seals and while its being preformed you don't really see anything. The first time Naruto used the Sharingan against Sasuke, Sasuke never saw him make it because of the firetechnique he had used so he couldn't have copied it there because he had no idea what seals were used. When he finally did see it, all he saw was chakara spinning in a ball in the palm. Even if he copied that, he would have no idea how to do the Rasengan because he doesn't know how it works. The training is what he lacks. The only way he could learn it would be to basically learn it from scratch and master it. Either way, Sasuke will never learn the Rasengan. Not because he can't, but because he won't.
     
  17. Code Zoamelgustar

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    If Sasuke already knows how to mold his chakra in that way and the properties as stated by people above. Then yes, he can copy it. But if he already knows those things, without the sharingan he would just have to see it once and then try doing it and should without taking much time or effort as anyone would. And he also needs the neccessary chakra.

    It's like saying can Sasuke copy the Hokage's moves after seeing it? No. Because he doesnt' have the neccessariy requirements to doing it, he already has to have it. If he does have it then he should also be able to learn it without a lot of problems.
     
  18. Devilguy Darkness over 9,000!!!

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    He can copy it but won't because it's Naruto's signature move. It's as simple as that.
     
  19. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    Or maybe Kakashi performed it in front of Sasuke after the body speed/Taijutsu training.

    If Sasuke has the necessary chakra control, and same flow of chakra as Naruto, he'll be able to copy the Rasengan. All the official data proves that the Sharingan should be able to see, and read what's going on with the Rasengan.

    Considering that, Sasuke will never copy it, because it is Naruto's signature technique, the technique that Naruto now identifies with, I believe. Even if Sasuke has the ability to copy it(and he most likely will in Part 2), he won't. And if Kishimoto does surprise everyone and has Sasuke copy it, it'll be a one time deal. Bet.
     
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  20. Wrath Mourning

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    Kakashi had the Sharingan while he was a student of the Fourth, who was the original user of the Rasengan. And yet there's no indication that Kakashi can do it.

    Face it, it's just a move that can't be copied like a summoning or a sealing.
     
  21. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    Kakashi had the Sharingan for about a year before Yondaime was killed, and was still a scrub Jounin. Not to mention the 3rd Great Ninja War ended soon after the events in the Gaiden, if I remember correctly. We don't know if he had many chances or the power to copy it at all.

    Based on all the information we have so far, there's nothing about the Rasengan that a Sharingan user couldn't read. If there's anything impossible about it, it's the extreme force that must be used when spinning the chakra in various directions(and while focusing it). That's something that probably a lot of people will have to do some crazy training for.
     
  22. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    Tsunade said that only Jiraiya and the Fourth could use that move, that probably means that it can't be learned just by any means. This statement probably includes not only herself (who is very skilled with Chakra only in a different way), but the Third as well (who we know was taught a few moves by the Fourth).

    Someone probably has to go through the same type of training Naruto went through, they also have to be fairly skilled with Chakra control and have adequate chakra power (which is why people like Sakura will probably never have it).

    Sasuke hasn't really shown any extraordinary chakra control.

    Judging from how Kishimoto chose to show the learning of the Rasengan, he was probably setting it up specifically as a move the Sharingan could not copy as a way to balance the characters a bit more. If the Sharingan could copy purely chakra based moves without any special requirements for skill or natural talent, then the moves lose what makes them special. Why not just have Sasuke use the Hyuuga's diving whirl while we're at it.
     
  23. Shishou Under this eyepatch is an eye!

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    Regardless of it being a Ninjutsu, it has no hand seals, and it has no elemental properties. What else can it be classified as, but a ninjutsu? Its like a compressed miniture tornado-explosion in your palm. But it is pure chakra, and it juss isn't copyable.

    Notice that the Sharingan users can't use Jyuuken. Thats a form of chakra control. Its pretty simple to see what Rasengan is, which is Chakra spinning around in all different directions. So you are telling me because Sasuke could see chakra emitting/focusing from Naruto's hand and spinning around all different types of ways, that he could copy it? Juss because you know how to do something, doesn't mean you can do it, I think Naruto proved this in trying to master the Rasengan.
     
  24. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    But whoever uses it also needs to see the Inner Coils/Tenketsu for it to be used effectively. Can't just strike any part of the body and expect to injure their internal body parts, have to direct the chakra to the inner coils. If a Jyuuken attack was copied and used on the same exact opponent that it was used on last time, then success!... 'cause, y'know, exact same movements, exact same placement of inner coils/tenketsu, etc.

    Won't happen, of course. Just sayin'.

    Again, only thing that might prevent a Sharingan user from copying it(besides the whole plot issue) is the chakra control mess I talked about earlier. If the user had that kind of control in the first place, there's nothing stopping the jutsu from being copied.
     
  25. Jiraya-sensei Fourth Uchiha Survivor

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    i think raikiri beat rasengan in kiling people, not in destruction maybe as we saw on the roof top but imo sasuke wont have need of rasengan
     
  26. Master Gohan New Member

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    You don't need to see the Inner Coils/Tenketsu. Hinata couldn't see the Tenketsu yet she was proficient at that style of fighting.

    And chakara molding can't be copied because it can't be seen. If it could be, then Sasuke would just watch a few Jounins fight and be at their level becaus he can see how they control their chakara and how they move when doing the move. The Sharingan isn't just a photo copier. When Kakashi explains the Sharingan, he says it records things even without your knowledge and you'll know the seals but you still won't know how to do the attack. He said it still takes practice.

    But back to the Rasengan, it took the fourth 3 years to master it and he was under the guidance of Jiraiya. So even with teaching it takes quite a long time to understand and learn this attack. Sasuke couldn't learn it even with the Sharingan without the proper teaching.
     
  27. NarutoXHinata Member

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    hmm u are not the olny one
     
  28. ChickenPotPie HAH.

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    There's nothing preventing Sasuke from copying the move (Except that it's the main character's signature move), as long as he has the required stats and same chakra flow as Naruto. The only thing I see as a problem is the random chakra spin need for Rasengan, so a Sharingan user would only be able to use Rasengan for the amount of time he preceived and copied it.

    That and if Sasuke copied Naruto's Rasengan, he would need to use Kage Bunshin as well.
     
  29. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    You need to see the Inner Coils to use the standard Jyuuken style. Hinata can see the Inner Coils, and she can use standard Jyuuken palm strikes.

    You need the see the Tenketsu to use Tenketsu Strikes. Hinata cannot see the Tenketsu, and cannot use Tenketsu Strikes because of that.

    "Regardless of whether its chakra molding or seals forming, all the under lying physics of the jutsu will be copied and remembered by the user in an instant."

    "In order to weild the jutsu, the user must have sufficient chakra and also an able body that can withstand the demands of the jutsu."

    I don't recall Kakashi saying this.

    Just by watching the jutsu, he can learn how it works. It's his body, experience, and chakra control.
     
  30. jyuen Member

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    that's just stupid... if they give sasuke the rasengan they mite as well give naruto the mastery of hadou to doo the hadougun (streetfighter) or kamehame wave o.0...
     
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