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Will the O clan and Karma lead the series back to CQC, skill based fights?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Reviewing Logic, Nov 5, 2018.

Would you want future fights to be like Momoshiki's/VOTE 1/Part 1 or Do you want charka avatars, etc

  1. YES

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  2. No, give me Big chakra avatars

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  1. Reviewing Logic ( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)

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    With Ikemoto stating his preference with part 1 of Naruto then Part 2, (maybe Kodachi feels the same way) as well as how Momoshiki was handled to negate ninjutsu which lead to a CQC fight compared to an all out ninjutsu fest like the end of Naruto.


    Kinshiki and Urashiki also follow the same pattern compared to Kaguya who felt more like some sorcerer then a CQC expert.

    With the advent of Karma and the rise of Katasuke rinnegan arm production.


    Has the age of Ninjutsu ended? Or rather just spamming ninjutsu as the sole way of combat.


    Against Momoshiki we saw that Naruto and Sasuke had to actually use strategies instead of just overwhelming the opponent.

    Kaguya's fight and even EOS Madara was just a ton of ninjutsu being pushed against one scale vs another.

    The beginning of VOTE 2 was just another slug fest.


    So far it seems with Karma, the rinnegan, tech and the byakugan that Ninjutsu is meeting some resistance from being the usual over spamming solution we saw in the Naruto war arc.


    Of course some times ninjutsu will work but people will now have to use more effort in order to execute the said ninjutsu.


    Hopefully the O clan will also negate PS and Kuruma avatars too with high tier GF akin to Kaguya's.

    Doing so would mean that we might be able to go back into the part 1 esque, VOTE 1 and other taijutsu, skuriken, kenjutsu, etc... combat the series was known for.



    Anyone opposed to this?
     
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  2. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Rock Lee and his son look as irrelevant as ever though. :(

    Sasuke however looks cooler by showing greater focus and skill at that department. It might make him hold back by not using ninjutsu but it looks much more visually appealing to see him fight like a ninja rather than just stand still and let his mecha destroy his foes.

    Would be nice if Mitsuki shows some neat SM taijutsu moves. Snake Katas? :LOS

    Dunno about Salad but CES is often treated as crap. Regular taijutsu more focused on skill though... :hm

    That said only Boruto and Kawaki got Karma and neither got full control over it. Using it once against KK immediately made Boruto collapse and using it against that fat Kara guy made Kawaki overheat. As for Jigen he is the current big bad so he won't fight much yet. Meaning that Karma's chakra absorbing won't be used much if at all. Chakra absorbing abilities are mostly villain hax since it makes the fight much harder for the good guys due to the latter relying so much on chakra. Which is why Sasuke hardly ever uses Preta. And neither Boruto nor Kawaki are nowhere near any Kara Inner in terms of power anyway.

    Potential Boruto Vs Kawaki fights might focus more on taijutsu however if either can cancel any ninjutsu from the other guy. :hm
     
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    Well petra renders Ninjutsu useless and weapons renders Petra useless.

    Rinnegan user try to use BT + Petra on you?

    You throw few giant Shuriken at him or cut his head off with a sword.

    Now absorb that mother fucker.
     
  4. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Meh, a Rinnegan user can then pull out a mecha arm out of his/her ass thanks to Asura Path to stop said Shuriken. :LOS
     
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    eventually they'll get the hang of it

    but as they grow and fight opponents I doubt that path to the peak will be big chakra avatars and ninjutsu spamming since both Kawaki and Boruto aren't in that battle range yet

    once they do then by then they will likely have control of Karma so like I stated in the OP the hope would be that ninjutsu spamming will be kept to the minimum


    I don't think Karma can absorb avatars but any avatar user will likely face some O clan level threat which as shown so far with O clan members they usually make avatars useless while they themselves never use it


    I like that Kawaki so far is like Jugo and fights via that way instead of spamming ninjutsu

    and Boruto's ninjutsu is just add ones for CQC scenarios

    of course ninjutsu shouldn't be fully shunned but it shouldn't be massively drowning all battles to just be that
     
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    Then he/she'll find out the Shuriken is actually tagged with dozens explosive tags, milliseconds away from exploding.

    "Boom".
     
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    Characters using ninjutsu as part of a devised strategy and not the strategy (WOOOOAAAH EXPLOSIONS) is what we need.
     
  8. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    I hope chakra mechas will have some restrictions in the future so they do not spoil fights. Granted it will look lame introducing such for Naruto or Sasuke since such limits were never discussed before...excluding back when Susanoo caused gigantic pain to the user and ate his life force or when Kurama Avatar could only last 5 minutes and required plenty of time to "recharge". Alas Kishi ended up completely removing those restrictions making using those mechas as less of a strategic last resort trump card and more like something that can be casually spammed losing greatly on its "specialness".

    Likewise it would be nice if neither Boruto nor Kawaki had some super gg nuke that can own anyone who does not have it. Fights would be more interesting if they required a bit more on skill and brainpower rather than just overpowering opponents with invincible raw power.

    Alas it is only a matter of time before power inflation starts hitting again...
     
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    I think maybe their biggest weakness is that they use a ton of chakra and or big targets

    if we have O clan people doing those vacuum palms on it like Kaguya did then I hope Sasuke and Naruto learnt to stop using it beyond just concentrated attacks like Kuruma's tails/arms or Head to stop an attack

    or maybe one day Sasuke can shrink it down to armour or human scale plates/arms etc...

    I mean they have byakugans... have them have the GF for the O clan and basically chakra avatars like with Kaguya are useless



    I agree on you Boruto and Kawaki statement
     
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    This can't happen with Sarada around. No way in hell she won't susanoo camp like the rest once she gets it. The only time she'll probably fight in CQC is when the opponent is on there last leg. As soon as there pressured just a little bit susanoo goes up. GG from there.

    It's also kinda hard to say who has the greater skill in CQC when certain characters have precognition or ultra sensing. Still hoping Boruto learns and uses the GF in the future though.
     
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    Karma is the sole reason why Naruto gets beat. Absorb jutsu and redirects back stronger. Just throwing bijuu damas just to have a stronger one back at you. Narutos worst nightmare
     
  12. Zensuki Sasuke > your fav

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    This is the dumbest thing I've heard of but not surprised if its true considering Boruto tier writing.
     
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    I think we had plenty of fights where ninjutsu was used in a strategically. The exceptions are where bijuu/susano'o is involved.

    Sasuke may have become boring after obtaining Susano'o, but even with the Danzou fight it wasn't just ninjutsu cancelling each other out. The only stupid thing was spamming Amaterasu straight out the gate.

    If you look at most of the war arc fights there's still strategy e.g. vs 2nd Mizukage, even vs Juubito.

    This all said and done, I agree that the CQC paneling is the most exciting. I think the best paneled fight in part 2 is Tobi vs Naruto/Kakashi/Gai/Bee, up to the mask breaking.
     
  14. Alita54 Alita>You

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    high end sorcery would be good if it wasn't conducted so lame and boring in Naruto.
    However, aside from momoshiki fight, anime mostly doesn't do justice to HTH fights. And CQC fights in manga are portrayed under some odd angles and look awkward, while ninjutsu/energy attacks are depicted as some "Pow!" styled bubbles.

    Whatever you choose, it's bad.
     
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    It could be! They are certainly taking their time with Boruto's Jougan, Karma, Kawaki, Sarada's eye ability, and even Mitsuki. They have a lot of time to carefully think about how to introduce and build these concepts more.

    Based on the interviews, one of the objectives of the series is to also teach the importance of balance in technology. That could mean that we are in store for many more complicated styles of fighting and not just limited to technology.
     
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    It's kind of an impossibility to hope for Taijutsu CQC battles to take center spot again.
     
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    but it happened with Momoshiki and Urashiki seems to also be able to rip out chakra with his rod so maybe another CQC battle has to occur there

    plus Sasuke had to do a CQC with Kinshiki too

    all of this is compared to Kaguya who was like Naruto and Sasuke and nearly all the EOS battles just ninjutsu spamming
     
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    Tbh while the animation for the Boruto movie & ep 65 were fantastic the CQC is actually meh for the villains - there's no tactics on their side, just DBZesque "I fast."

    Sure would be nice if Sasuke remembered how to use preta path since the villains would also be restricted, but hey, everyone else with a rin'negan forgot so why not have more villains spamming ninjutsu/techjutsu against helpless heroes?
     
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    They were just a warm-up. The real series is only starting. No way in hell thier dealing with gigantic bijuu chakra avatars with mere taijutsu alone. Unless you erase out those massive constructs from existence this isn't happening.
     
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    Kaguya dealt with them without literally summoning a gigantic avatar

    at most she did chakra arms

    as for other ways in dealing with avis,

    Toneri had that chakra ball ability that stripped the user of their inner chakra

    what happens when you toss said ball on an avatar?

    there is nothing stopping them from having abilities like these
     
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    The anime does fine with taijutsu fights.

    They animated Hanabi vs Boruto very well.

    This is important because, in shippuden and some of part 1, the animation quality dropped noticeably whenever the Byakugan was on screen. It's like they diverted funds from any Byakugan related scenes into a pool so they could splurge on any Sharingan fights later.

    The Momoshiki fight was a special treat, but they also used pretty good animation quality on the short fight between Urashiki and Gaara/Chojiro. Not amazing or above average quality, but not the drop in quality from shippuden either.
     
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    I want CQC and giant chakra avatars.
     
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    Unless they are able to condense them. Naruto at one point was able to turn into a mini bijuu along with Gaara along with B. Band Naruto was able to even get bone armor at a certain point with the tails
     
  25. Batzzaro29 Well-Known Member

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    DBZ still combines kaboom and H2H better.

     
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    I want all of them; planet destroying,
    Future-seeing eye hax,
    Country busting CQC,
    megazords,
    reality warping Jigen, etc
     
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