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Would Escanor have lost if Meliodas used his original power?

Discussion in 'Nanatsu no Taizai' started by Thdyingbreed, Nov 11, 2018.

  1. Thdyingbreed Rampaging Beast

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    Curious to hear people’s thoughts on this since we know now that Meliodas was holding back in that fight.

    Personally I think Escanor would be dead if he used it destroying the Demon King’s a literal gods body like that is better then anything “The one” has done so far.
     
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    Escanor? Yes.

    Mael as The One? Probably not.
     
  3. Prince Idonojie Well-Known Member

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    Meliodas' magic power is in the realm of immortal Gods. A comparison to any NNT but God lvl ones makes no sense at such levels.

    A better question is if Meliodas could achieve such without his true magic but instead with his full power of darkness. Considering the fact that he took on the superior Mael with Sunshine 3000 years ago and forced him to retreat, I'd say yes it's possible.
     
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    The one state is literally stated to be the pinnacle of power....the user has been stated to be the absolute avatar of power and invincible for that one minute so your logic of meliodas level hype dosent really fly here.
    We dont know anuthing about sunshine mael for all we know the demons avoided combat for noon and retreated and waited for noon to pass to engage mael including meliodas.
     
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    Escanor destroyed him with a poke thats all that matters.
     
  6. Lord Valgaav Last Scholar of Golb

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    That was more than likely hyperbole.
     
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    After this chapter, no.He fucken fingered Zel. :hestonpls
     
  8. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    The dude threw his weapon away and slapped through zeldris and dks hax with a simple chop....later beat him with a finger...the manga has been perfectly clear in its portrayal of the one, you on the otherhand need to provide some backing to why meliodas would eclipse the one and is in another realm.
     
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    I didn't say anything about Mel, and Zeldris only has some of DK's power, not the whole thing.

    Saying TO Escanor is the strongest in the verse is hyperbole because it'd be assuming he's also above SD and DK. I'd need to see him go up against one of them or someone stated to be on their level before I'm willing to believe that. So far he's only oneshotted people around his own level.
     
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    Meliodas using his original magic power literally forces him out of his dimension and only 2 other characters power causes that the SD/DK that along with the fact that it actually injured the DK.

    Meliodas OG power has way more hype behind it at this point.
     
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    If Escanor could perfect the One and have a longer duration he could contend with Meliodas true power

    This is all speculative ofc
     
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    His original power could pulverize the DK arm, who is SD equal and The One is only a fraction of SD power
     
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  13. Lord Valgaav Last Scholar of Golb

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    All that needs to be said, really.

    I think people(myself included) forget that Sunshine is a Grace that was given by the SD.

    It makes no sense for someone with that Grace(who isn't even the original owner) to be stronger than the creator.
     
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    prolly not

    now, prime mael in 'the one' state has a good chance imo
     
  15. Roadagain Goat's Sin of Lust Retired Staff

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    The problem with this logic has always been that the assumption is that the ability cannot surpass the creator at any point in time. That's not necessarily true. That's why it has a gimmick tied to it, essentially. It'll be weaker under certain circumstances so under other circumstances, it can be stronger.
    It's a separate question if that's enough to outdo the SD, of course.
     
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    That still wouldn't make sense in this case though. Since Sunshine comes from SD as a portion of her over all power, it's full potential can never come close to her's.

    It isn't like a learned magic like Full Counter, where potentially Meliodas can surpass Chandler in his use of it. Or how King and Dianr surpassed Glox and Dolor in their respective magics.

    Escanor's situation is similar to doll Gowther. They can only ever be as powerful as they were meant to be, via the power of the ones who 'made' them. They're extremely limited.
     
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    Still not entirely true.
    If limiting The One to 1 minute a day is something that gives the Grace, say, 4 times the regular output, and SD put 1/4th of her power into it, you now have The One as equal to the SD.
    Speaking of which, we have the two other Graces pegged at what, 80k? and Ludo at 200k? So if we take it face value that the Graces also linearly increase power like that, the regular Graces are 80k at most (Assuming, of course, Tarmiel and Sariel have no power at all, which would be stupid). Flash would probably be in the same range, just that Ludo is stupidly strong even without the Grace. We can probably agree that Zeldris is at the very least roughly equal to Ludo, and The One proceeded to beat him (by what margin isn't really important here. Zeldris tried to block, and eventually had to drop Ominous Nebula) So under the most optimistic scenario here, The One is giving us a 2.5x multiplier. (Because Sariel and Tarmiel are presumably not complete shitters, that would be higher.)
    Given that, we'd be looking at SD being what, 320k? Not even that far from The One here. The problem here is, of course, that if we go with this, the lower the Graces itself drop, the lower SD does too, while The One goes the other way. Maybe Sar and Tar are like, 30k without the Graces. At that point, we'd be looking at 200k SD, and hmm, 4x The One.

    Of course, again, that's completely making an assumption that the Graces also just go into muh numbers and all. I really doubt that's the case here, but the point of this useless occurrence was to showcase how, restrictions like what The One has, could easily cause him to balloon above the creator of the power, yeah?
     
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    Not quite, because everything you've said falls under the assumption that each Grace equals a 4th of SD's power. But unless I forgot something, we don't know exactly how much of her over all power each Grace amounts to.

    What we do know is that both SD and DK are so powerful that they can't exist in the material world. We also learned that Meliodas with his true power is the same. Not so with The One.

    If nothing else, that oughtta give you an idea of the difference in their power. Escanor may be the strongest person in the material world, but those three and possibly a few others are literally on another plane of existence with their power.
     
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    So meliodas who is literally a portion of the dk himself managed to overpower and rip his arm off..and yet you claim the one is a part of sd and its impossible for it to reach godlevel..you see the irony?
     
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    Meliodas isn't a portion of DK, he's his son.

    He had the Commandment of Love in the past, but that isn't the power referred to that allowed him to cut of his father's arm. Meliodas's own power makes him too strong to exist in the material world. Escanor doesn't have a power of his own, only that portion from SD.
     
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    The ONE is the strongest being in NnT who effortlessly with a scratch or two stomped Zeldris with DK power. Answer is No.
     
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    Hard to know. But remember that the DK whose arm Mel destroyed with his OP was nothing but a shadow of his former self. Eating hundreds of creatures of the purgatory to keep a fraction of his original power.
     
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    Only some DK's power. And it wasn't without effort as he figured using his axe wasn't working after a struggle.
     
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    There was no struggle
     
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    Except there was.

    Zeldris held Escanor off when he used his axe, and even slightly damaged him. Escanor then tossed his axe axe proceded to oneshot with a special move.

    If there was no struggle then Zeldris would've been chopped down the middle.
     
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    Thats no strugge esca was tiers above
    Zeldis used strpngest abi and did less tha galan vs fodder escanor.
     
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    ...yeah, we're done here. :camby
     
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    Show where esc bleed.
     
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    OP and likes of him are in Bargaining stage.
     
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    We know you have a hard for Escanor, but this doesn't makes sense.

    You're comparing a 44k Galan and a 50k Escanor against Zeldris and The One which we have now idea of their PL. Also, if he were leagues above Zeldris he would have finished him with Rhitta something he couldn't.
     
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