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Would you consider Dark Schneider a good character or a bad character?

Discussion in 'Featured Manga of October 2010' started by Emperor Time, Jun 3, 2008.

  1. Emperor Time

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    Or maybe in between because I honestly am not sure, so what do you consider Dark Schneider in being? :amuse
     
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    He's an evil bastard but with some redeeming qualities. Or a good guy who sometimes gets carried away. Depends on how you see it :zaru

    But seriously there's almost no "good" characters in Bastard!!, with the exception of Yoko and Lars, they all have pretty ambiguous personalities. Even a guy like Gara, who seems like a nice, laid back dude has shown he could be pretty selfish (when he says he couldn't care less about the rest of the world as long as he can have fun) and that he had no problem killing, even apparently enjoying it (when he slaughters the orcs to defend Meta-Licana).

    So yeah, they're all "grey" characters.
     
  3. Yak

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    Kinda like Aldric said. DS is someone I would neither call good or evil, even though he basically is a creation of evil men and/or the devil himself, but he still has a heart and can chose what to feel and do. Well, at least ever since he was trapped in the body of Lushe RenRen. I would describe him rather as chaotic-neutral.

    The old DS from 15 years prior to the storyline however was a cold-hearted motherfucker who couldn't care less about anyone, he even threatened his friends and comrades who were close to him if he lost interest in them. He was way more evil and probably more like Satan wanted his 'son' to be like.
     
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    Good, bad... He's the man with the babes.

    I think he's a funny and interesting character. He behaves goofy, can be serious, seems a little whacked, sometimes very childish (maybe Lushe's influence) and badass.
     
  5. Aldric

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    He was actually childish before getting sealed in Lushe.

    Black Rainbow shows him as some kind of arrogant, evil brat.
     
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    Chaotic Neutral just about sums it up.

    He probably was truly evil before he was sealed in Lushe,though
     
  7. Emperor Time

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    I agree that ever since Dark Schneider was seal in Lushe he been a Chaotic Neutral. But he was a bad or possibly evil character before that.
     
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    I don't think he was pure evil either in the past, afterall he adopted Kal and Ney and raised them, and neither of them are psychopaths. He also spared Gara after he attempted to slay him.
     
  9. Emperor Time

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    Well that true that Dark Schneider has some good in him before since it true that he adopted Kal and Ney and raised them and spared Gara after he attempted to slay him too but didn't he also killed many innocent people through his armies when he was trying to conquered the world as well back then?
     
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    It's never really developped... In Black Rainbow both him and his generals are shown commiting mass murder but their victims weren't exactly innocent civilians... But yeah he probably did huge damage to civilian populations during his attempt at conquering the world.
     
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    You have a point with Ney. But when he took in Kall, he treated him more as a servant or a slave than a son
     
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    So that explains why Kal does not rejoin Dark Schneider side.
     
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    he has gotten less evil over time, especially since he was rebirthed within lucien renlan and encountered yoko.
     
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    DS doesn't fit under "good" or "bad", from what I understand given his actions.

    But in truth, he's a big ole softie...like Aldric. :LOS
     
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    No, not really. Where'd you get that from?
     
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    He wouldn't bother to teach a servant or a slave magic

    Also we need more activity here

    Yak, Ryoma, tell those OBD dunces to get their asses here
     
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    I still think that he didn't take in Kal and Ney back then simply due to his 'caring nature'. That's not his style. DS did it for benefits. I could argue that there was some kind of sympathy for Kal and Ney but he also saw them as kind of interesting toys to mess with. Teaching them magic and raising them would shape them the way he liked them, for most of the part. Especially Kal who was extremely loyal. He raised Ney more tenderly I assume but as she grew up (physically) she also became his sex-interest. He wasn't just keeping her out of charity, he clearly did it because it was benefitial to his interest and he could raise two powerful loyal weapons for his war as well.

    DS is a very complex character. Much like Satan, he has this really selfish, cold, sometimes very brutal and almost insane attitude and aura about him but he also shows some sort of care for his followers. His motivation and interest is just a bit jumpy.
     
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    Maybe I worded that wrong. Not like a chore slave, but at the time he definitely wanted to use him for his own personal gain. And it's supported by when he said something along the lines of "You belong to me".
     
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    Which I think was DS's way to show affection back then. He wanted Kal to be his conscience, since he didn't have one himself.
     
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    Sure, but he still treated him like property, not like an individual. His own statement makes it pretty clear, 'until I find what I'm lacking you will be my second half'. DS was lacking a portion of what defines us as humans. He only found that in Lushe.
     
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    I think DS is a super softy at heart.

    :LOS
     
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    DS is a closet NaruHina fan :lalala
     
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    He sees the potential of a nice virgin in Hinata :LOS and Naruto is useful as a war-tool of mass destruction if he can control the Kyuubi. I already see DS casually breaking the Kyuubi seal, bitchslapping the critter and then bending its ass to his will. :awesome
     
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    Maybe letting DS get in her pants is what Hinata needs to stop sucking (no pun)
     
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    But isn't Hinata too young for DS?
     
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    No she isn't I think.

    Isn't 12 like legal in Japan? :uwah
     
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    I thought you had to be 16 in order to be legal in Japan?
     
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    A lot of times, during the manga, it's explained that Dark is an "half-man", an incomplete being.
    Said so, I think that Dark always wanted to be a "complete being", a human.
    But he couldn't be a normal human...just to tell it with Wolverine's words: "He had to be the best in everything he did".
    A human being can have a woman, he can have an harem
    He must be the better sorcerer in the world
    He's not satisfied with a reign, he wanted the world
    And I think that he has a bad interpretation of feelings, just because he can't understand them, he DOES NOT HAVE THE INSTRUMENTS TO UNDERSTAND THEM.
    He's like old good Pinocchio, not bad at heart, but simply different and unable to understand something that you don't learn in the books.
    The forced link with Lushe gave him some instruments that allow him to become human in a different way.
     
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    So in a way he like Hellboy?
     
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    Yes, IMHO I think that Hellboy is very similar to DS, even if Hellboy grew with humans and learned how to "open his heart" from them, while Dark had been "fueled" with feelings by Lushe.
    The feelings in Dark Schneider are a sort of "viruses" that are changing him slowly.
     
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