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Yami Blackbeard vs Katakuri

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by xmysticgohanx, Nov 5, 2018.

  1. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    Yeah, but he still got damaged by both of them. If you take damage it's a mid diff fight, if you take no damage it's a low diff fight, if you take no damage and oneshot your opponent its a no diff fight.

    BB had mid diff fights against Luffy and Ace.

    So? What does attack power have to do with durability? And it's very arguable BB wasn't truly a top tier until he had both the Yami and Gura DFs. The Yami DF on its own had a very obvious weakness (the power to suck in opponents also increases the speed of ranged attacks coming at BB making them hurt more than they would otherwise).

    And you also have to keep in mind how much power you get out of your DF can be associated with how deep into mastery you've gotten into it. From what we know MF Blackbeard hasn't awakened the Yami DF, Katakuri has awakened his Mochi DF. From what we know Blackbeard hasn't been shown synchronizing his DF power with armament haki for better defense and offense, Katakuri has done just that with Block Mochi, Power Mochi, and Diced Mochi.
     
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    When WB punched BB with Gura he was already a dead man living only because of his strong will, punch from a dead man is not that strong

    Katakuri mid-high diff. even without DF Katakuri is not a joke
     
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    We both know this isn't how One Piece works. Same reason why Luffy can't tank fodder's swords without using haki. Same reason Whitebeard was constantly wounded by fodders' bullet, cannonballs, swords etc. Same reason Younkou Commander Ace was about to be executed by fodder MR 3's sword. Yami BB has already shown that G2 Luffy and Ace can easily harm him, so can Katakuri's spear.

    In fact, Squardo should've been unable to even pierce Whitebeard, unless we are supposed to believe Squardo is top tier.

    In One Piece piercing attacks>>>>> blunt attacks like quakes.
     
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    We simply don't know the limit of his pull..it would be nlf to say he could pull anything and anyone but one thing is certain ..that Ace couldn't resist in the slightest..now Kat is indeed stronger but is that enough to resist?
    I think he can't unless with training yami's intensity increases which i doubt...master of DFs is all aabout controll and techniques..but the power remains the same which was evident in MF when a newbie BB with the gura could replicate WB's quakes but couldn't properly control it yet.



    Yeah i also doubt he could negate waves of mochi drowning him unless we see new applications of the yami fruit later..for example BB might be able to use dark waves that cancel DF powers or something...for now though i agree.



    Yeah it probably would be unaffected unless it's shown that yami isn't affected by haki or something..it's a special DF after all..for now though we should treat it by what it has shown and haki should be able to stop it.



    WB slashed him with his bisento and BB wasn't cut in half..he also survived quakes to the face..his durability and endurance are off the charts..he also took fire arrows from Ace so piercing damage isn't something new for him..not that it'll save him in the end cause as i said this only cause the fight to take a lot longer but offensive-wise BB doesn't have the means to put Kat down.
     
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    Katakuri one-shots this clown. Observation Haki is too much for Teach to deal with.
     
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  6. xenos5 Objectionable Objection

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    You know that scene in Spider-Man 2 where Spider-Man stops a train by shooting a bunch of webs at nearby walls and holds onto the webs with all his might? Or the scene in Homecoming where Spider-Man holds together two halves of a ship that was sliced down the middle?

    Well considering the strength of One Piece characters and Katakuri himself I’m pretty sure Katakuri could perform a better version of either of those feats with his Mochi (which is also a sticky substance like Spider-Man’s webs).

    To suck Katakuri in BB’s vortex would need to suck in every structure Katakuri could possibly stick his Mochi too. And I’m not sure the vortex could do that.

    Especially if Katakuri turns the ground into Mochi with awakening as he’d have complete control of the battlefield in that case.


    Ok.

    Alright.

    A fire arrow or a sword slash isn’t the same as a trident spun so fast and with so much force it’s more like a deeply penetrating drill.

    It pierced straight through Luffy despite other piercing attacks bending his body or making his face cave in and pop back to normal.

    I just don’t think it’s unlikely that Kata could end the fight with one fatal attack (brain or heart destroyed) rather than needing to hit Blackbeard for hours on end with powerful attack after powerful attack.
     
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    Teach ain't going down with nothing less than high dif.
     
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    Wouldn’t that require him to be able to land attacks?

    If your opponent is too fast or evasive to the point that they don’t get hit the entire fight I’m not sure how you can give them high diff.

    Especially considering the fight could end early if Katakuri lands a Mochi Thrust to BB’s heart or brain.
     
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    Katakuri oneshots. Dying WhiteBeard could mortally wound him with a punch.
     
  10. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    No FM attack will ever hurt more than a top tier’s attack. Especially one with the Gura, no matter how “dead” WB was. First Mates are literally fodder to them.

    If you guys want to talk about consistent feats or whatever, remember that BB scarred Shanks. His attack power is there
     
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    You realize had Squardo stabbed Whitebeards heart or head, he would be dead right? The Squardo who isn't FM-level. Since he was perfectly capable of stabbing his abdomen.

    Why are you ignoring Ace and Luffy easily making BB bleed?
     
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    Blackbeard.
     
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  13. Shiba D. Inu #admiralgang

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    with the trident - probably Kata .. piercing damage GG

    without the trident .. I could see either way ? :hmm
     
  14. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    I already mentioned that
     
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    Why do people keep bringing this up like it's some great feat? We never knew when BB scarred Shanks, for all we know it could have happened when they were both rookies on WB and Roger's crews respectively.

    In fact, if you've read chapter 0 (which is canon) it's HEAVILY implied that BB scarred Shanks before Roger's execution, when Shanks was still part of the Pirate King's crew:



    In the bottom right panel, Shanks is covering his face with his captain's strawhat. Oda's trying to be subtle here but it should be pretty obvious what he's trying to imply. Shanks is simply hiding the scar he got from BB.



    Same thing here in the upper right panel. When Shanks starts his pirate journey by going to East Blue to try and recruit Yasopp, Oda once again doesn't show his face. Why? Obviously, he's once again trying to hide the scar Shanks has over his left eye. In the animation of this scene for chapter 0, they even SPECIFICALLY LEFT OUT Shanks' left eye while he was talking to Yasopp. If that doesn't tell you Shanks has already gotten his scar, I don't know what will.

    So congratulations, BB scarred Shanks when the two of them were probably one step above fodder while they were serving their captains. I have no idea how that suddenly translates into "Blackbeard has enough attack power to go up against Katakuri". If Blackbeard scarred Shanks AFTER the Roger pirates had disbanded and he'd become captain of the Red Hair pirates, sure that might be impressive. But giving Shanks a scar when he's still a deckhand on Roger's crew doesn't mean squat.
     
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    wow, I’m sorry but none of those panels imply what you’re suggesting
     
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    Would you mind explaining to me why you think that way? From what I can tell it’s pretty clear what Oda’s trying to imply. He doesn’t show us Shanks face in those panels because Shanks already has his scar from BB.
     
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    Blackbeard waited an entire year after he stole the Gura Gura to fight Marco and the WB pirates.
    Even assuming that Marco is stronger than Katakuri the gap couldn't possibly be big enough for him to low diff Katakuri.

    Katakuri definitely seems like a higher tier fighter than Yami Blackbeard but I actually struggle to see him win that fight.

    The main reason being : He couldn't put down Luffy in 11 hours despite Luffy being a punchingball for most of that fight.
    And I definitely don't think Preskip Teach was lacking in stamina compared to current Luffy, in fact I'm convinced he was wayyyy more durable than Luffy currently is.

    Katakuri can't put down Teach, he dominates most of the fight but eventually gets outlasted and beaten.
     
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  19. o0Fujitora0o Shanks > Mihawk

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    My gut feeling says BB wins (he just dont have much feats to compare with) and the feats favors kata heavily.

    Yami BB being underestimated is nothing new & i dont even blame u guys for that.
    Its in his nature to get hit by others (if i am not mistaken he takes twice the damage than normal people because of Yami DF ?) but he always get back up & returns the favor with interest. His body structure is unique as said by Marco and he is the only guy who did not explode after eating 2 df. So, does a firstmate level guy have enough firepower to keep the guy down who's body is the only body that can withstand impossible ?
     
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    Too many people have this weird misconception that Yami Teach barely defeated Ace when in fact he absolutely demolished him.
    Ace wasn't anywhere near knocking him out and his gigantic fire ball was just sucked in by Teach's darkness.
     
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    Oda has little reason to hide Shanks’ scar. He may or may not have had it at that point but those panels don’t suggest anything

    I thought Marco was the one that started the war, not BB
     
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    Conversely, Oda also has no reason to NOT show us Shanks' scar either. But he still intentionally drew Shanks facing away from us in both panels, which I think is some heavy foreshadowing. And I think Oda has a perfectly good reason for not showing us Shanks' scar at that time: he's going to show us how Shanks actually got the scar in the future, so he's trying to be sneaky and confuse us right now. And like I said, those panels don't automatically suggest Shanks already has his scar, but it's being HEAVILY implied.

    Oh and here's some more proof that Shanks got his scar from BB when he was still on Roger's ship. In One Piece Novel A Volume 2 (which is also canon), Ace visits Shanks and he asks Shanks how Shanks got the scar on his face. Ace is surprised when Shanks tells him a normal crewman from the WB pirates did it, but the rest of the Red Hair pirates are also surprised since Shanks has rarely talked about that scar. If Shanks got his scar from Blackbeard after he'd become captain of the Red Hair pirates, wouldn't the rest of his crew know about it? They should have been like "Oh yeah, the captain got that scar when he was fighting against some guy from the WB pirates." But no, they're surprised as well, once again heavily implying Shanks got his scar before his time with them. I got the translation from this link:



    BTW, you think Shanks got that scar from Blackbeard after he'd already become captain of the Red Hair pirates don't you?
     
  23. DiscoZoro20 Ōka Shichibukai

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    I´m with chinesesoccerplayer here that Shanks got that scar in his Roger apprentice time. It makes the most sense cause it fits the power levels, it is the most likely point at which they (Shanks and BB) could encounter each other and it fits into the narrative in chapter 0.
     
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    that or before but after he’s already at a relevant pl
     
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    How do you know the bold? It seems kinda convenient to just assume that when there’s no way to know.
     
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    Shanks uses his scar as an example of BB being a threat
     
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    Dangerousness =/= Power

    Kid Buu is seen as more dangerous than Super Buu despite being weaker.

    Shanks could see BB as a threat more due to his vicious personality than him being powerful enough to give him a scar at a point of his life he was extremely strong or at his Peak/Prime.
     
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    The thing is Blackbeard never was a real threat in that sense. We saw what Whitebeard did to him.
     
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    Probably Katakuri, high difficulty.

    I view Yami Teach (pre-timeskip) more within that Doflamingo bracket of power overall (tougher, probably physically stronger; however, slower and much less agile, with durability about comparable): so very close, but ultimately no cigar's getting lit up here, not without a lot of potluck.

    Still, Blackbeard's endurance is notoriously high, in a setting where the dial on survivability for even an average bloke is preset on GOD MODE (probably the greatest demonstrated in the OP-verse TBH, relative to his other physical attributes), and Kata's preference for blunt force trauma over more efficient stabbing methods gives BB a greater chance to pull off a potential upset via Yami Yami no Mi DF negation. On the flip side, I don't view pre-skip Teach having much of an answer to (or, at the very least, being perennially frustrated by) high-end Kenbunshoku Haki, especially given his nasty tendency for underestimation or being caught unawares against even non-Hakified opponents.
     
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    Katakuri should win,but to be fair Yami BB is a very outdated version of BB. It has no haki (which is a major part of chapter 600+ fighting style and even low-mid tier marines and yonko crewman now can use it) while Katakuri is a master of CoO haki and one of the best users of CoA haki. Without Gura-Gura fruit BB likely can't even seriously harm Kata through his CoA and he can't use CoA either. So even if he can disable his fruit he still can't disable or overpower his haki.
     
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