Because the Story is a mess as well as the Powerscaling
KH has barely any consistent
KH has barely any consistent
Wrong.Hopefully people will soon understand that Kingdom Hearts is the perfect verse to pit against Star Wars.
Wrong.Star Wars is one of those verses that doesn't seem to have many good potential match ups.
Wrong. This was already covered by @TrueG 37As for the current match up, The two should be close enough in speed for neither one to be able to blitz the other.
You are wrong on everything you said.If we talk about swordplay, Yoda obviously has far more experience in this category. But King Mickey is no slouch. He's shown to have a similar fighting style. And even though he doesn't have The Force, he has a great amount of Light Magic. And his will should be more than strong enough to resist Yoda's mind hax. And King Mickey has more moves in his Light Magic arsenal than Yoda does in his Force arsenal. King Mickey has seen some shit. He's fought in a great war just like Yoda has and persevered through it. You definitely can't say he's not a veteran fighter too.
Dont lower level Force users than Sidious and Yoda have mind fuck feats that span Galaxies? How the fuck they not making any KH character think they're a sentient toaster the second the match starts?
>comparing a fucking mind-trick with actual mind-control
How to identify someone who still attempts to pass off their knowledge of a fiction as being proper
Stop talking about about Disney Star Wars in a thread, as poorly wrought as it was, that pits Lucas canon/continuity Star Wars against Kingdom Hearts. Every bloody time with your nonsense, with your passive aggressive baiting, and your utterly repugnant attempt to shoe-horn in Disney's continuity or limitations and weaker standing in with Lucas' continuity.Well, excuse me for actually bringing up the canonical limitations of Force abilities that manipulate the mind, mind trick or otherwise, instead of pretending said limitations don't exist.
> I love how the keyblade can be used against a lightsaber@accountmaker @Tacocat
Thank you for helping explain. Hopefully people will soon understand that Kingdom Hearts is the perfect verse to pit against Star Wars. Star Wars is one of those verses that doesn't seem to have many good potential match ups. Since not many verses have a bladed weapon that can be used to Duel against a lightsaber. (At least not to my knowledge) And the fact that apparently most verses can't resist the kind of mind hax Star Wars has either. Because of that, most verses either get stomped by them or stomp them. Kingdom Hearts on the other hand is very similar for all the reasons accountmaker said. And the Keyblade Masters should have the physical stats needed to stand up to the Jedi Masters and Sith Lords as well as strong enough will to resist being mindfucked. I also love how the Keyblade can be used to Duel against a lightsaber as well as against regular swords.
As for the current match up, The two should be close enough in speed for neither one to be able to blitz the other. If we talk about swordplay, Yoda obviously has far more experience in this category. But King Mickey is no slouch. He's shown to have a similar fighting style. And even though he doesn't have The Force, he has a great amount of Light Magic. And his will should be more than strong enough to resist Yoda's mind hax. And King Mickey has more moves in his Light Magic arsenal than Yoda does in his Force arsenal. King Mickey has seen some shit. He's fought in a great war just like Yoda has and persevered through it. You definitely can't say he's not a veteran fighter too.
Disney Star Wars? That was season 2, episode 3 of The Clone Wars, three years before Disney acquired Lucasfilms. So, it does still apply to EU/Legends continuity. You'll have to give a better argument as to why a scene from The Clone Wars TV series wouldn't apply in this case.Stop talking about about Disney Star Wars in a thread...
There is no such thing as "EU/Legends" continuity, there is only George Lucas' Star Wars and Disney Star Wars, stop playing the semantics game here.Disney Star Wars? That was season 2, episode 3 of The Clone Wars, three years before Disney acquired Lucasfilms. So, it does still apply to EU/Legends continuity. You'll have to give a better argument as to why a scene from The Clone Wars TV series wouldn't apply in this case.
1. Obi-Wan talks about compelling Bane, when Ashoka brings up the group using the Force on Cad Bane
2. At no point did Anakin, Windu, or Obi-Wan attempt to actually mentally control him, only to try and get him to voluntarily give up the information
3. If the TV series is CONTRADICTED by the higher canon (films and film novelization) as well as other media, then its overridden
4. The entire group sequence of them attempting to use a Jedi mental probe was also them holding back from DESTROYING BANE'S MIND which you cherrypicked and ignored from mentioning which handicapped the Jedi due to their morals
5. Why the fuck are you comparing Anakin's use of a Jedi mind trick wit Obi-Wan's to gauge Yoda whose a peer for Sidious who could casually mind-control Grievous without trying on the Invisible Hand to make him repeat himself?
The attempt was a collective Jedi Mind Trick being used on Cad Bane, which they state would destroy the mind. The point of the interrogation was to attempt to influence Bane to WILLINGLY give them the information they wanted with the threat of losing his mind, rather than with suggestion through the Force, not actual mind-control. Do you want me to keep repeating this?
1. The discussion leads into how using the Force on a strong mind could destroy it in the process if pushed too far.
False. Obi-Wan states using "The Force to compel a strong mind to COOPERATE" is the operative component of their plan before they tried to mind-trick Bane. I know reading comprehension is a difficult task for you to grasp but cherrypicking what you see and ignoring the context does not fly here.2. The scene wasn't just about getting him to "give up information"; they wanted him to take them directly to the Holocron, and were trying to compel him to do so.
Last I checked, I have immensely more knowledge first-hand on Star Wars then you will ever hope to posses and forget more about this franchise then you will ever absorb despite your attempts to glean EU knowledge by obessively looking at Respect Threads third-handedly.3. Last I was aware, , so it would be The Clone Wars that overrode other stories when there were differences or contradictions.\
I do not care what you are predisposed into thinking or believing. They did not seriously attempt to mind-control Bane, they simply attempted a probe with a Jedi Mind Trick into making Bane give them the information to avoid further psychic pain, which was always their intent. I know subtext is a hard issue for you but it is there plain as day.4. From the depiction of the scene, it more appears they just stopped short of destroying his mind, with all the pain Cad Bane was in.
I do not care because I have addressed this already. I also do not care for your attempt at using circular arguments to try and make a feedback loop on you inventing something where nothing exists to backpedal. It was a casual Jedi Mind Trick by three with no serious attempt to actually influence Bane beyond his own impulses and cognition; which is further shown in the clip that none of them were trying particularly hard with the lack of actual heavy concentration or meditative stances. Yoda is more powerful than Windu and noted to be far better than him at telepathy and mental powers anyways so the claim you are making is invalidated.5. You forgot to mention Mace Windu's involvement in that scene, who was one of two Jedi said to be able to contend Sidious (and demonstrated to do so), and was second only to Yoda.
So you are still operating on circular arguments despite the fact:So, you have the Chosen One, Obi-Wan, and Mace Windu combined unable to force Cad Bane, who is not a Force wielder, to take them to the Holocron against his will. When he complied afterwards, it was with the intention to lead them into a trap and make his escape, which he succeeded in doing so.