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Yuuzang Vong and First Order Vs The Galactic Empire

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Kaaant, Jun 6, 2018.

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  1. Kaaant Well-Known Member

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    Two empires that completely fucked the rebels in the ass in the absence of the empire. How do they fare against the og muthafucka.

    Team gets their own territory outside the galaxy, of planets and territory they owned in either canon. Vong is the vong at the start of their invasion. First order has all the ships troops and battle stations :maybe it might’ve lost since the start of its conflict, but like I said before, it has all the territory it’s claimed.

    The GE is unaware of their existence until they attack. The Rebels are present, but are unlikely to side with the team because they are awful.

    S1. GE as of ANH.
    S2. GE as of ROTJ.
    S3. The Dark empire, vs Vong but at their prime and still with the first order.
     
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    First Order has Starkiller base. They rape.
     
  3. Fang

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    The Vong would throw a planet at it.

    And then they throw the entire First Order at it just to make things even better.
     
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  4. Kaaant Well-Known Member

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    Not impressive when hyperspace jihad can bypass their defences.
     
  5. Kaaant Well-Known Member

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    Important to remember the galactic empire is the inheritor of a good chunk of super weapon schematics in Star Wars history.

    Team Probaly needs a palpatine tier figure to stop the maniac murdering people in their sleep.
     
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    Regardless of how strong they militarily are, they simply cannot win as long as Sidious is running the Empire. You need to take Sidious out to make it a fair match.

    Sidious will simply mindfuck or otherwise plot to destroy the enemy Superweapons, then use Battle Medidation to Alexander the Great his way through the First Order and the Vong.
     
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    Aren't the Vong immune to the Force save for Force Lightning (for whatever reason)?
     
  8. Kaaant Well-Known Member

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    :hmm The Vong at least have some good force resistance feats.

    I could restrict his strongest powers to make this fairer. I don’t want to take him out entirely as he is probably the greatest strategic mind in the empire. Things like precognition and mind control are things the other side will have to a lesser extent too after all.
     
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    The Vong are not immune to physical abilties like lighting. And the Empire is militarily superior to the Vong, it is only the FO + Vong combination that could defeat the Empire, but this isn't happening as long as Sidious is running the Empire.
     
  10. Kaaant Well-Known Member

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    The vong had super star destroyer tier ranks of ships according to the wiki. The first order also has planet level ships.

    The Mega star destroy may rival some legends super star destroyer classes.
     
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    Maybe the ones 4000-3000 BBY might be.
     
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    "What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong–killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."
    ―Han Solo, to Vana Dorja
     
  13. Kaaant Well-Known Member

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    When the new media internalises inaccurate memes it just comes off as pure cringe. Exactly what the new films did with stormtroopers

    Only the first deathstar had a weakness anyway.
     
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  14. Fang

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    Han Solo is the same man in Lucas Star Wars who also insanely though that half of the entire Imperial starfleet wouldn't be able to destroy a planet. Also:

    >Maw installation
    >bunch of isolated scientists at a super top-secret Imperial weapons R&D facility designed half a dozen super weapons in just under a decade
    >Like a weapon that just *erases* matter from existence
    >Or a star system destroying starfighter that the narration isn't even clear if sending it into a black hole would destroy it

    Also the funny part about that quote is it comes from early in the Vong War, when most of the galaxy *wanted* the Empire to be around instead of the New Republic because the Empire even without its super weapons wouldn't have had their asses kicked like the New Republic was. :lmao
     
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    >be rebels
    >living in stable peaceful galactic empire. Pinnacle of human civilisation
    >”na”
    >wage civil war
    >countless dead
    >civilisation in ruins
    >incompetent rulers
    >get invaded by yuuzan vong
    >rebels previously destroyed most of the countermeasures and superweapons
    >365 trillion die at minimum

    “aT lEAsT tEh eMpyRe iSnT oPresSinG mE”
     
  16. Darth Nihilus Super Saiyan Black

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    >Sun Crusher
    >World Devastators
    >Two Death Stars
    >Galaxy Gun
    >ISDs that can raze planets

    yep yep
     
  17. Kaaant Well-Known Member

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    Empire has also pre imperial superweapons from the republic potentially.
     
  18. Darth Nihilus Super Saiyan Black

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    Hell the First Order is irrelevant

    Simple bantha fodder
     
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    They’ve got good numbers, a good industrial base, some pretty strong ships, and can mobilise quite well in a short time.

    Not empire or even republic tier impressive but still impressive.
     
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    Death Star prototype as well.


    IIRC the Vong War also saw the destruction of over 60,000+ worlds.
     
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    I would love to see this if you have a quote.
     
  22. Kaaant Well-Known Member

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    How do vong soldiers compare to stormtroopers?
     
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    Vastly superior in general.
     
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    The ones who could cross with Jedi, was that their typical rank and file soldiers?
     
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    Barring the reptoid slave soldiers, yep. Mara tried to shoot a Vong in the face in the first novel near the end and he was deflecting blaster fire like a Jedi would.
     
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    How do you reckon dreadnaughts and such like mandators rank compared to SSDs fang? From what I remember SSDs were not rolled out till post ANH, so the vong might actually have an advantage ship to ship barring superweapons.
     
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    SSDs are dreadnought analogs. Mandators were basically the Super Star Destroyers of their heyday. The Vong also have the advantage of being able to simply *grow* their warships and starfighters up the ass, their big issue during the Vong War was Lah wasting manpower which was needed for their soldiers and crews for their starships.

    Also as I recall, the Republic in the Clone Wars and early Empire right after the Clone Wars ended still had stuff like the Mandator Star Dreadnought class Is and the IIs at the very least. Mandators class IIIs were rolled out early for the Empire right after the end of the Clone Wars while the early design and prototype SSD was being developed at Byss.
     
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    Manpower is something they’ll have more of here, thanks to meatbag FO troopers.

    What kinds of numbers did the vong have in terms of ships?

    Edit: Palpatine built the eye(s?) of palpatine within a single year, two years after he took over the republic.

    Palpatine is a bastard.

    It gets worse:

     
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    I had no idea that Palpatine had knowledge of the Yuuzhan Vong during the days of the Galactic Empire

    Even Thrawn knew about them and fought them

    Called them the Far Outsiders
     
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    It’s the reason he destroyed the outbound flight, the reason why the galactic republic never became multi galactic unfortunately.

    Also

     
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