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Zaraki Kenpachi VS Kuchiki Byakuya (Manga Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Bleach' started by Shinigami-Isshin, Aug 2, 2005.

Who's stronger?

  1. Zaraki Kenpachi

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  2. Kuchiki Byakuya

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  3. Draw

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  1. Shinigami-Isshin cootin for the putin

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    Ob-vi-ous

    is everybody forgetting that Kenpachi is the strongest of the Gotei 13(except for maybe Genryuusai)? If he could do shikai and Ban-Kai he would kill anyone of the Captains. why are you so surprised that that Ken-chan(much faster) has, i dont know, SKILLS? And on top of that, HES CRAZY. Hes a bloodthirsty wierdo, he knows how to fight. Plus, he was getting BORED with the fight, i think if i was getting bored, i really wouldnt be fearing for my life, meaning i was not afraid of my opponent. Tousen cant really be that strong because he has to be weaker than Sousuke and since hes not Aizen's 2nd in command, that makes him weaker than Gin too. soooo, the strongest based on strength at current level, versus, a blind guy whos third seat in the new Hollow-Gami regime. Yeah, kenpachi is clear betterman
     
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  2. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    When was it stated Kenpachi was the strongest? I think at best someone may have said he was the most feared. I don't think the men of the 11th division count either, they all think they're superior so of course they'll think their captain is the strongest.

    Against someone like Yamamoto, Aizen or Byakuya who can wipe you out from a distance without giving you a chance to even get close for a melee attack, I don't see what Kenpachi could do.
     
  3. Potentialflip One Last Stand

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    Now we're calling Kenpachi a fake?! Heck Ichigo is afraid to face this guy but he is not afraid to go up against Byakuya?! Speaking of raw spiritual power. I'm sure he has the up on any shinigami. As far as whether he could take on every shinigami that's a whole other question.
     
  4. Shishou Under this eyepatch is an eye!

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    Kenpachi might be on Byakuya's level.

    I say this, because some techniques and Bankais, juss aren't very effective against Kenpachi.

    Range attacks seem to be the worst against Kenpachi, because they lack power. And I think Kenpachi is crazy enough to be able to withstand Byakuya's attacks and make it to him. Of course, if their speeds are truely too different, then Kenpachi won't be able to hit him. But I think Kenpachi wanting to fight him that one time, even knowing his reputation and everything, kinda gives me an impression Kenpachi has something up his sleeve...


    Kenpachi fights with happiness. He is excited and loves the fight... But what if he fought in anger, like being insulted, or was made out to be weak, instead of an equal? Kenpachi + Rage/anger = scary?


    Either way, I'd say out of the captains not with Aizen, Kenpachi is 3rd, if put behind Byakuya. With the old man as first.


    And for some reason, I have a feeling Gin is secretly stronger than Aizen. Gin is juss too calm and suspecious. Plus Aizen is lame.
     
  5. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    Who called Kenpachi a fake? I'm simply saying that I don't see how he could possibly stack up against some of the captains we've seen with just his Melee attacks.

    He might be the top in raw spiritual power (personally my money is on Yamamoto), but that doesn't mean he can't be hurt. Pre-Ban Kai Ichigo was strong enough to hurt Kenpachi, even before he truly called on Zangetsu he could hurt Kenpachi a little.

    Somone like Byakuya with a truly massive powerful Ban Kai would tear him apart. Someone said ranged attacks aren't good against Kenpachi, what the hell would make you think that? Attacks like Byakuya's Ban Kai (or Shikai for that matter), Ichigo's energy blasts and Yamamoto's fire all have excellent range and are deadly if taken head on like Kenpachi will no doubt try to do.

    He would be helpless against Byakuya's millions of blades attacking from every direction or Yamamoto's flames engulfing him.
     
  6. Shishou Under this eyepatch is an eye!

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    Because Kenpachi is a masochist. Millions of blades attacking don't cut deep. They juss cut alot.

    Look at how Kenpachi beat Tousan. He juss took the damage. Plus it isn't like Kenpachi is so weak as to be hit by them all, or not be able to stop some of them and get to Byakuya.




    But the thing is. Ichigo is a power fighter. And Kenpachi is a power fighter. Wasn't it even said that Ichigo simply kept the same power in his bankai, but upped his speed? Which means he added speed the the power he was capable of dealing in Shikai.

    Plus Kenpachi was wasting spiritual energy that was being fed to his eyepatch, and had lost a massive amount of blood from all the attacks he took.




    In all honesty, I think if Kenpachi didn't have his eyepatch sucking away spiritual power, didn't have the bells, and used two hands when he swung... He would be insane.
     
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    Don't cut deep? Aside from with Ichigo it looked to me like the blades went clear through their targets and emerged on the other side. Doesn't get much deeper than that.

    Tousen was swinging with a single blade, using only normal melee attacks, at most it could create one gash Byakuya would be attacking with literally over a million blades. Like he said to Ichigo there is no blind spot, you can't escape them.

    Kenpachi would try to run right through them and with the speed at which they can move Kenpachi would be hit dozens of times by each blade, with enough distance between them there wouldn't be anything left of Kenpachi by the time he reached Byakuya.

    Kenpachi was still matched in power by Pre-Ban Kai Ichigo, long before he could really use his spiritual power. Byakuya was able to match post-Ban Kai Ichigo.

    Yes, he would be quite powerful, but like I said, he lost to pre-Ban Kai Ichigo in terms of raw power. Remember what happened when Ban Kai Ichigo tried to attack Byakuya? The Ban Kai blocked every attack and that was before he doubled its speed by using his hands. Kenpachi is FAR slower the Ban Kai Ichigo and I'm willing to bet he's far lower in spiritual power as well.

    I think you're underestimating the destructive power of Byakuya's Ban Kai. It tore through an entire block before tearing through Renji and his Ban Kai like they were NOTHING.

    Ichigo was able to damage Kenpachi before even calling on Zangetsu, so we know the power needed to simply damage Kenpachi is far below captain level. Now we're talking about one of the strongest captains (second only to Aizen IMHO), with his BAN KAI, not his regular sword but his BAN KAI. A Ban Kai capable of attacking millions of times in a fraction of a second, a Ban Kai capable of attacking and defending simultaneously.

    Now, how exactly does a Melee fighter compete with that?
     
  8. SpaceGhost 2005 National Champs

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    Kenpachi nearly matched Ichigo without even knowing his sword's name. Imagine what would happen if he ever did, or if he ever achieved Ban Kai.
     
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    Tore apart an entire block? Kind of reminded me of this moment.



     
  10. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    Are you comparing that to Byakuya's Ban Kai?



    Looks far more impressive to me, Tousens looks like it took the side off a building, Byakuya's took down the block, everything in it, a Ban Kai like it was tin foil and a high level vice captain. Not only that, but given the angle at which Renji is being shown, Byakuya's Ban Kai looks freaking huge.

    Also Tousen's looks like at most one or two dozen shikai blades would hit Kenpachi. Byakuya commands millions of Ban Kai Blades. Tousens move looks like it was meant to impale its opponent, not shred them into oblivion like Byakuya's.

    Like I said, Ichigo hurt Kenpachi with a fraction of the power Byakuya would have with his Shikai, let alone Ban Kai. His Ban Kai in its first form would be fast and big enough to tear Kenpachi apart in a few seconds, even if it couldn't it has two higher forms to fall back on.
     
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  11. Kami-Sama The one with the Lesbian Avy.

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    even thou it might be out of topic...

    ichigo survived kenpachi thanks to the hollow mask...yourichi(sp) told him, if it weren't for the mask ichigo would be sliced in half.

    second most of the damaged that ichigo cause to kenpachi (less the last attack) was mostly due to kenpachi not dodging out of his own will, even ichigo was surprised.

    my two cents and good theory... (even thou i dont agree that tousen lost the fight to kenpachi on purpose)
     
  12. Shinigami-Isshin cootin for the putin

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    when ikkaku tells ichigo that the 11th is known for being the strongest division. or when they gave hime his name, which is given to the strongest in that generation. Where are you? Nameless guy, getting by with nameless soul slayer....what makes his story and zanpakuto make sense.

    you're confusing power and range. If you physically stab someone with a larger weapon, its far easier for them to die compared to being stab by tiny weapons. plus byakuyas attack doesnt seem to have good control, things just slice. where tousen's spikes went straight to Ken-chan. And thats not even really the point because we're thinking of Kenpachi as a sane person. either with Tousen or Byakuya, zenpachi wouldnt fall as easily as renji or ichigo. Renji and ichigos fights against the respective captain were emotionally stressful. Zenpachi on the other hand has no reason to fight except to fight, he doesnt even cares if he loses, as long as he doesnt die, he'll get stronger to S**t you up.
    plus it doesnt really seem that ichigo can control his power that well in un-heated circumstances. he just seems powerful when in the depths or fighting. And the way ichigo wins battles is only when the person doesnt have enough power. Kenpachi had enough power left. Zangetsu decided that since ichigo didnt have enough power, he have to one hitter quitter him to win. Byakuya knows hes running low and says "lets finish this with one last strike" KEN-chan HAD RESERVE LEFT.
    Plus you talk about ichigo like he wasnt captain level, which he was from the start, urahara taught him that.
     
  13. SeekerofPower New Member

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    Ichigo condenses the power of his ban kai and uses it to perform hyper speed combat. Yoruichi herself states his spiritual power didn't greatly increase. Ichigo was going in to kill Kenpachi(altho lower than what he had than when he fought Byakuya) and drew/barely won. Against Byakuya he fought to make Byakuya ask Rukia for her forgiveness and not to kill him which made a big difference.

    Byakuya is nothing compared to Ichigo. When he was at full strength, Ichigo was able to get to Byakuya without him noticing. The only time Byakuya had a chance was when the power of Ichigo's ban kai was crushing him. However I do believe that Byakuya would destroy Kenpachi. His speed and skill(in the form of his ban kai) would be too much for Kenpachi.
     
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    Kepa, you make it sound like Kenpachi is a slow slug whose attack is below Captain Level. Ichigo when facing Kenpachi had to borrow power from Zangetsu/Hollow. Against Byakuya, he was winning wtih his own strength, that is until he once agian not "borrowed power" but that power was coming out to defeat him. That "powerup" didn't add to his base strength. While Byakuya was being destroyed by that power, Kenpachi was able to stand up to it and defeat Ichigo with it (Ichigo fell down first...). Kenpachi can take tons of damage, captains with shikai can defeat him? I doubt it.
     
  15. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    Exactly, none of the captains are incapable of hurting Kenpachi, even with their sword unreleased.

    Now someone said "Ichigo kept fighting after being hit by Byakuya's Ban Kai". Thats true, but he got hit once, just once and he was hurt pretty bad. Then he went Ban Kai and used his speed to avoid being hit again.

    What is Kenpachi going to do? He's slow and has NO special powers at all. Every time he took a step towards Byakuya he would be getting hit again and again by the millions of blades in Byakuya's Ban Kai. And even if by some miracle he survived long enough to get close, Byakuya could just use his Ban Kai to block the attacks while still tearing Kenpachi apart from all angles.

    Think about this, Byakuya's Ban Kai is composed of millions of blades, lets round down and say just a million. They can move extremely fast, supposed they each only manage 5 hits. Thats 5 million hits on his opponent.

    I think Byakuya's style is the perfect one to use against Kenpachi because a purely melee fighter would be almost useless against Byakuya. Ichigo could only do it because he was in a Ban Kai form and his hollow helped him. Also remember Byakuya has two higher Ban Kai forms to fall back on.
     
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    I splitted the offtopic discussion here guys, try not to rape someone's else thread next time...
     
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    Yeah I guess your right about Yamamoto. Forgot that when he did his reiatsu it was felt for miles more farther than Kenpachi. Pre-Ban Kai Ichigo was strong enough to cut Kenpachi not strong enough to hurt him. I'm sure he would some fun with BanKai Ichigo (odd how the strength of Bankai Ichigo and Pre Ban Kai is not all that great as some may perceive). When you hurt somebody they back down. Kenpachi never did backdown. You seem to forget that Kenpachi took on two captains as well as their Ban Kai's. Oddly enough did defeat one of them Tousen I believe his name was. Kenpachi actually trained Ichigo speed. If you haven't forgotten. When Ichigo finally listened for Kenpachi's bells he knew where he was. That is how Ichigo knew how to go up against Byakuya's Shunpo. He was waiting to hear him stop moving and draw his sword. Kenpachi is not as slow as people think or you for that matter. Its all good I'm done for today.
     
  18. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    Didn't hurt Kenpachi? Then what do you call all that blood shooting from his body all during the fight? He most definetly hurt Kenpachi, its just that Kenpachi feels that pain is the price for fun, he said it himself, he wouldn't mind pain or death if it meant a fun fight.

    Pre-Ban Kai Ichigo could hurt Kenpachi quite badly if he was capable from the start, you need to remember that through the entire fight (and through his fight with Byakuya) he was still learning how to use and control his powers. People often forget that. Now that level of power could potentially kill Kenpachi if the right area were hit, now multiply that by 5-10 times or so, that's Ban Kai Ichigo's Reiatsu power, and thats the level of power Byakuya almost matched.

    Now, back to the subject at hand. Kenpachi wouldn't EVER be able to get close enough to touch Byakuya. Not only would MILLIONS of blades be constantly attacking at speeds many people can't see, but those blades would also block any attacks kenpachi did try to make, even if he got through that, Byukuya has his flash step. Kenpachi wouldn't even be able to get close, he has never shown any type of speed, let alone flash steps speed.

    I feel people are underestimating the power of Byakuya's Ban Kai, underestimating its effectiveness against a close range fighter and severely overestimating Kenpachi's durability. I'll say it again, a captains sealed sword could damage and if used right kill Kenpachi, a Shikai would be that much more powerful, a Ban Kai could tear him apart.

    Tousen's Ban Kai wasn't an offensive weapon and I don't think Komamura actually got a chance to use his Ban Kai against Kenpachi. We never see it happen. So all this talk about him beating down Ban Kai's is stupid.
     
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    going with Tsukiyomi on this one. Look at the Kenpachi vs Ichigo fight, and then the Kenpachi vs Tousen fight. Both times Kenpachi in a sense just went toe to toe, swinging away with brute force. What could Kenpachi possibly do to Byakuya? A shyunpo specialist. 1) Kenpachi would never be able to catch Byakuya to attack him 2) Byakuya's Ban Kai would end the fight and he wouldnt ever have to come even close to melee range of Kenpachi. There was no doubt Byakuya was by far stronger than Ichigo at the time of Ichigo and Kenpachi's fight, if Ichigo was capable of taking down Kenpachi with nothing but foolish strikes why would anyone possibly doubt Byakuya would have any trouble with Kenpachi at all? No one can possibly doubt this: Kenpachi is not even remotly as fast as Byakuya, he cannot catch him. Byakuya does not have to be in melee range to attack, his Ban Kai and Shi Kai are a very powerful ranged attack...soooooooo lets put 1 and 1 together. Powerful Ranged attack + easily being able to avoid an attacker = easy win. You can't kill what you can't catch
     
  20. Zaraki Kenpachi

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    I Just managed my thoughts on the matter of Kenpachi here, it may be a bit of a repeat of what some people have said, but I thought I aught to put my feeling forward :D

    To me this seems to be one of the biggest questions on most peoples lips at the moment.
    Spoiler: Manga Fights
    As Ichigo has fought and barely defeated them both.


    Spoiler: Introduction
    First off I had a few thoughts about Ichigos fight with Kenpachi;
    During that fight Ichigo grew considerably, from shacking in his presence and being unable to cut through Kenpachis subconsious flow of spiritual pressure, to unleashing the same energy as Zaraki at full flow. But it makes me wonder why Ken-chan being a captain lost to a guy who was only just Vice Captain level at the beginning of the fight. I suppose it comes down to a few factors in my mind.


    Spoiler: Ichigo Ken Fight

    Spoiler: Reason Ken Lost to ichigo 1
    1. Ichigo is the main Character on a very important mission and for the story to progress he had to be able to live up to the challenges of at least one or two of the captains.


    Spoiler: Reason Ken Lost to ichigo 2
    2. Ichigo had the whole righteous fury on his side, that seems to power any normal person to become some unholy god.
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    (Notice him running away later in the manga)


    Spoiler: Reason Ken Lost to ichigo 3
    3. Kenpachi lives for the 'fun' of the fight. Drawing it out as long as he can to get pleasure, for the majority of the fight he fought with his eye patch on and the bells in his hair. This means that he took far more damage and expended far more energy than he would have had he been taking the fight seriously from the beginning. He was risking giving away unnecesary advantages to have a bit of a laugh!!


    All this says to me that we get a rather bad impression of the immensity of the strength of Zaraki Kenpachi and why I often read threads saying he is one of the weaker captains.


    Spoiler: Bit more about Zarakis stregth
    We have to remember that he does have the title only given to the Shinigami with the highest kill count.
    Spoiler: Mange Ken 2 v 1
    He also took on 2 captains and survived, without much damage, taking a blast from both their shikai abilities at the same time, then going on to obliterate Tousens BanKai, and was about to take on Komomora without even taking of his eyepatch.
    This is immense power if ive ever seen it and all those who say Byakuya would win in a minute should just think a little about what kens been through and the amount of staying power he has. Any fight with him is gonna last a considerable amount of time as he takes a bucket load of damage before he even thinks of giving up, let alone dying.


    Spoiler: Zarakis Future
    Also if you are considering this fight in a current manga context then we are yet to find out if Ken has learned his Zanpaktous name as he seemed to want to after the ichigo fight, so in all probability in the next arc we may see Zaraki fighting with a shikai (Just the thought is rather scary)


    Spoiler: Summary
    As for the original question...(Sorry got a bit side tracked) ...I would say it is a very close call and would probably go down to the wire. Both have awesome battle tactics and both prefer a different fighting style. Yes Byakuya has more offensive weaponry and a wider range of abilities, but Zaraki is all over him on experience due to his excessive amount of battles. I would say it would be Ken-chan, by a hair due to the fact that he would be able to take several hits from Senbonzakura whereas the second he caught Byakuya (and he would eventually) it would get grim.
     
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    good post, but keep in mind Zaraki would not catch Byakuya. Ichigo and Tousen both HAD to get in melee range to attack Zaraki, Byakuya does not. His shyunpo and incredibly powerful ranged attacks would make it almost impossible for Zaraki to hit him, let alone win. From everything we have seen so far Zaraki is pretty much like Ichigo, he just charges agressivly, he would never catch Byakuya let alone ever dream of outrunning Byakuya's Shi Kai or Ban Kai. It may take time, but Zaraki would fall to Byakuya
     
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    I have to assume that somewhere in Zarakis massive list of killings hes face people with fast speed. There is always an opening and I think with Zarakis experience he would find a way to catch him off guard. And Just cos he cant Shunpo doesnt mean he isnt quick. Shunpo has its limits in that it seems to use your energy and is only a point to point transfer not a continous lift in speed.
     
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    Thats the only bad part about mangas, we can't really assume something, if we do we can start assuming all kinds of crazy things. I could just as easily say I assume Byakuya has fought someone as powerful as Zaraki. The thing is no one will outrun Byakuya's Ban Kai, he said himself there is no blind spot, Ichigo was only able to avoid it due to his Ban Kai. Zaraki would not avoid it, by the time Byakuya ever begain to reach his limit and slow down Zaraki would be defeated. Speed + Range is a close combat fighters worst possible pair up.
     
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    No, lets not assume that, because you're not only assuming they were fast, but you're assuming they had the captain level speed Byakuya possesses. Aside from the former 11th division captain Kenpachi to our knowledge has never actually killed another captain, and we know nothing about the former captain, for all we know he tried to just go sword to sword with Kenpachi and lost.

    Kenpachi has yet to show ANY speed, he hasn't show the ability to be fast at all, let alone at Byukuya's speed.

    Byakuya's Ban Kai can cover large chunks of the battlefield and attack from all directions simulatenously with no blind stop, and his Ban Kai would have more than enough power to hurt Kenpachi, so I don't see how he could dodge it.

    It is capable of blocking melee attacks (the ONLY type kenpachi is capable of) with enough speed to block some of Ban Kai Ichigo's attacks (with his Ban Kai speed, a speed WAY beyond Kenpachi).

    And like I said, even if he got through all this, Byakuya could just flash step away and attack with more distance attacks, not to mention all his demon arts.

    Now, I recall Kenpachi being hit with Tousen's Shikai, but whats the other one that hit him? And please keep in mind that Tousen's Ban Kai was (I'll say it again) NON-OFFENSIVE, he still had to attack with a standard sword, so he was fighting Kenpachi in his own style.

    Komamura has an offensive Ban Kai, but it doesn't look like he used it.
     
  25. Zaraki Kenpachi

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    Against Ichigo he disappeared and reappeared behind him swinging down, Ichigo only blocked it cos he heard his bells. If Zaraki removed his eye patch and bells straight away Ichigo would have died. I think that he wouldnt go into a fight against byakuya with those on as he wouldnt be stupid enough to underestimate him

    If were not going to assume anything then dont. You dont know how his Ban Kai would effect any of the Captains. Im not sure just how much hurt they would inflict, he stood up to being speared by a fair few Javelins straight through his chest.

    And lets no forget that after Byakuya hit Renji with senbonzakura Renji was still able to move. Zaraki seems to be more resiliant than anyone so Im not sure how much it would stop him.

    Again your assuming that Kenpachi is slower and dumber than he is. I understand that Byakuya is fast, but shunpo takes energy so you have to say that it has a limit, even when your at Ban Kai if your doing other things like controling senbonzakura you have to have a limit at some point in the fight. Besides if Kenpachi was aiming to get through he would do it at an advantageous point in the fight, he wouldnt have survived if he didnt take advantage of situations or be able to create them.

    The majority of this fight comes down to Zaraki being able to avoid the worst of Byakuyas attacks and being able to wear him down. I think that over time Zaraki would come out as the winner as he can take a ridiculous amount of damage.
     
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    Byakuya was able to move around with Shunpo and control his Ban Kai against Ichigo in Ban Kai form, I think it's safe to assume he could fight/take one hell of a beating/use plenty of shyunpo. Zaraki cannot and would not dodge Byakuya's Ban Kai going by the speed we've seen. Zaraki could not and would not catch Byakuya going by the speeds we've seen. Untill we see more I do not see how it is possible that Zaraki could defeat Byakuya. I say again, you cannot kill what you cannot catch. Byakuya can evade and attack at the same time, he would not be beated by Zaraki.
     
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    I see what your all saying. It is a fair point and for Zaraki to win he would have to be exceptionally clever and pull something pretty special off.

    But I stand firm in my belief that he would and could do it. He'd just have to find some way to eek an advantage..

    Anyway either way you look at it I think it'd be a bloody interesting fight to watch.
     
  28. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    That was the beginning of the fight when Ichigo's power was still vice-captain level, by the end of the fight he was most definetly moving faster than Kenpachi. He was landing two blows for every one Kenpachi attempted.

    Now this was all pre-ban kai and Ichigo was fast enough to out manuever Kenpachi even if just by a little. Byakuya kept up with Ban Kai Ichigo's speed.

    Assume? I'm not assuming anything, Ichigo before being pulled into Zangetsu's world could hurt Kenpachi a little, afterwards he could hurt him a lot. Tousen's unreleased sword could easily hurt Kenpachi pretty badly.

    We're talking about a BAN KAI, Byakuya's Ban Kai would easily have many times the destructive power of Ichigo during the Kenpachi fight or Tousen's sealed sword.

    So no, I'm not assuming it would hurt Kenpachi, its an obvious fact from what we have seen.

    Byakuya hit Renji once with it, and he went through a Ban Kai to do it. Renji's Ban Kai protecting him is probably the only reason he wasn't liquified. Kenpachi has no such sheild.

    Also keep in mind Byakuya stopped at one hit, if Kenpachi wasn't taken down with one he would just be hit again, and again, and again and again until he was dead.

    No, I'm not. I'm not assuming he is slow or dumb, just that Byakuya is faster and smarter. You say Shunpo has limits, well Yoruichi figured she had to do atleast 200 in a row to get away from Byakuya for sure, so he can probably do around that level. Do you honestly believe Byakuya would need that many?

    I don't see whats so hard to grasp about this, Byakuya can protect himself from any Melee attacks (even at Ban Kai Ichigo's speed) and attack at the same time.

    Kenpachi won't be able to touch him even if he got close, senbonzakura would just block the attack and proceed to shred him again.

    Thats IF Kenpachi could get close enough, he has NO long range attacks so he would literally have to run through millions of Ban Kai blades to get there. And if he did make it, Byakuya could just flash step (a single one) 50 yards away as senbonzakura continues to attack Kenpachi as he tries to get close to Byakuya again. Rinse, repeat.

    I haven't seen anything from Kenpachi to convince me he could get through Byakuya's Ban Kai.
     
  29. DarkSwarden StrumTruppe

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    Kuchiki cuz kenpachi is strong but he doesnt even know his swords name lol :S
     
  30. RaitoRyuukashin Banned

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    Byakuya has 1000 swords that split into thousands of pieces...that all can cut and block attacks and hinder movements. All Kenpachi has is raw power. But he cant survive being cut by 1million pieces....


    You guys severely underestimate how much 1million is.
     
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