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Zoro vs Sanji

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Phantom Thief, Nov 12, 2018.

  1. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    Zoro is actually portrayed to be > the FBH users. Sanji on the other hand has failed twice.

    2 sword Zoro also had positive portrayal vs Hawkins, another supernova
     
  2. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Zoro is cooler :doge
     
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  3. Phantom Thief Well-Known Member

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    Raid Suit Sanji could likely high diff Zoro as it currently stands, but the point in the arc that he chooses to use it is important. He won't pull that out until he's forced to use it to protect something of his at which point Zoro should likely be getting his own power-ups to combat his new opponent, thus widening the gap once again.

    Oda isn't going to treat Sanji so poorly that his Wano self with a power-up would still lose to, what is essentially, Dressrosa Zoro. People like to downplay what Sanji has done more than he deserves for the memes. He's been less than expected post-skip, but he's still accomplished things like fighting Vergo with an injured body and actually looking decent. I know Vergo wasn't using his full moveset, but by the time the gas started to spread Vergo was going to begin using Hardened punches and I have no doubt a healthy Sanji could dodge those given how telegraphed they were and the level of CoO he's shown. Then we have him looking fairly decent against the Veterans of Big Mom's crew with Oda showing him blitzing Oven and stopping Daifuku's giant genie from destroying the Sunny seeming to imply a level of parity with them. The only more impressive thing Zoro has really done is defeat Pica and fight well against Hawkins, but these guy aren't much stronger than the guy's Sanji has fought to begin with. In fact, most would even argue Vergo is stronger than Pica.

    So really, these notions that Sanji could barely push Zoro to mid-diff or that he'd still lose to current Zoro with a power-up is kind of silly.
     
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  4. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Yup. I think Zoro would need above mid diff to face current Sanji. Like high diff tbh.

    With the raid suit they will be equal.
     
  5. Phantom Thief Well-Known Member

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    Yep, I do still think that a gap has opened up, but it isn't quite as large as people make it out to be. At worst, I think Sanji could just barely push Zoro to high-diff.
     
  6. TheWiggian #AdmiralsIncorporated

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    Zoro haven't even shown much to begin with since the TS.

    I find it perplexing that Sanji is just going to upgrade to the level Zoro was during Dressrosa "if" he uses the raid suit and Zoro despite not even going all out yet will just sit there not growing in strenght at all, so Sanji can catch up to him again in peace.

    Not bursting bubbles here, but there is no way he will just sit there, waiting for his "gag rival".
     
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    I disagree, it isn't the same logic at all. What he was saying is:

    (1) Zoro with the swords beats Sanji. (Therefore he MIGHT be still stronger than him without the swords.)

    Which isn't quite the same as

    (2) Sanji with the Raid Suit still doesn't beat Zoro. (therefore he cannot possibly be stronger than Zoro without the Raid Suit.)
     
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  8. Vivo Diez Well-Known Member

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    That interpretation is that much worse, for both him and you.
     
  9. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Not exactly the main difference here is that Zoro was portrayed stronger then Sanji before he got any sword upgrades.

    And on that note i doubt Raid Suit Sanji can beat Zoro(although that has yet to be shown of course). If raid suit Sanji cant beat Zoro then base sanji is fucked.

    I also expect zoro to grow more then sanji this arc for obvious reasons. So perhaps current Raid Suit Sanji>Zoro but at the end of the arc they are equal or slight edge to Zoro.
     
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    One is listed as the Warrior of the Straw Hat Pirates while the other is listed as the Crew Chef.
     
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    I don't understand. Where does the idea of Sanji being stronger than Zoro come from? What in the series has ever implied or sparked this debate to begin with? Everything ive seen in the series always implies Zoro is the number 2 and Sanji is the number 3?? Zoro always fights stronger opponents, has a higher bounty, wins more fights..Is their something I'm forgetting that hints sanji was ever above Zoro? :confused::confused:
     
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  13. DiscoZoro20 Ōka Shichibukai

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    Don't listen. No sane person would ever believe that. It is just lunatic fans like Gold Ace who love Sanji more than their own family who rank Sanji like that.
     
  14. Etherborn Cosmic Impulse

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    Zoro mid diffs. Sanji has better speed and Observation Haki, but Zoro's strength, durability, endurance, destructive capacity, and Armaments Haki are all far superior to Sanji's. You don't take a select few stats and expect them to outweigh an abundance of others.

    Yes Sanji fought Vergo who had far better feats than Pica if you don't count the golem, but the difference is that he didn't beat his opponent, while Zoro did.

    As of now I cannot see Sanji tanking a single Daisen/Sanzen Sekai. That's not to say he'll get one shot, because unlike Pica he's actually good at dodging and most likely won't rush in head first expecting to withstand it like an idiot. In a fight between Zoro and Sanji, I'd go as far as to say that Sanji would probably be landing more hits due to being faster and having better precog, but Zoro can actually tank those hits, unlike Sanji who will be screwed after Zoro lands one or two.
     
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    Also is Sanji going to be clashing aganist swords with his legs? Won't they get all sliced up?? :confused::confused:
     
  16. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Or just dodge
     
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    I guess he could use haki on his legs! Although Zoros haki is stronger so I don't know if that would work...
    also I don't think Sanji could dodge 3 swords simultaneously! :skysun:skysun
     
  18. WestWood7 World's Strongest Swordsman

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    Zoro one shots
     
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  19. TrafalgarRao The dude who will change the world

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    Base Sanji:Zoro mid diff
    RS Sanji:Zoro high diff
     
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  20. Atem 'Sup?

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    Zoro still has Ashura so i don't get your post.

    Ashura-Zoro > RS-Sanji > Zoro > Sanji

    Always high diff.

    _____

    A new sword doesn't only increases Zoro's AP but also increases his defense and lethality.
     
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  21. Atem 'Sup?

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    Sanji could dodge Vergo from point blank-range and this after he surprisingly got his shin fractured by Vergo.

    I agree Zoro's CoA is significantly better than Sanji's. CoO goes to Sanji though.
     
  22. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    What does Ashura have to do with anything?

    Why are you comparing it to Sanji getting a raid suit? Zoros had Ashura since before the timeskip its not a new powerup.
     
  23. Atem 'Sup?

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    You said Zoro >> Sanji was proven the moment Sanji got the RS but this makes no sense.

    What has Sanji's upgrade to do with the power gap between Zoro and Sanji?

    Even if Sanji has the RS, Zoro still has his Ashura so it doesn't mean "Since there's no way RS-Sanji is currently stronger than Zoro, it means that current Zoro beats the shit out of normal Sanji and beats RS-Sanji with a normal difficulty"

    PreTS: Ashura > DJ > Zoro > Sanji
    PostTS: Ashura > RS > Zoro > Sanji

    Zoro upgraded every single of his preTS moves and it will be the same case for Ashura.
     
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    For most of one piece Zoro and Sanji have always been close to each other in strength.

    So If one gets a powerup and the other doesnt then that changes the gap, but you wont find many people who think Sanji can beat Zoro even with the raid suit. Thats mainly because Zoro has looked better then Sanji since the timeskip.

    Why are you mentioning Ashura? What does one of zoros attacks have to do with sanji getting a new powerup? It goes without saying that all of zoros moves are factored in when i make a statement that Zoro is stronger then X.

    ,

    Its possible i just doubt it though.

    Thats what i think the current case is yes.

    Not sure why you are bringing up Ashura likes its some massive powerup but whatever. As long as we agree Zoro>Raid Suit sanji i dont care.

    I would assume so. Probably has something better then ashura though i would imagine.
     
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    :):) Only since the timeskip? Do you know the point where I decided that Zoro was stronger than Sanji? In the first arc Sanji was introduced where he LOST to Gin. Zoro would have definatly won that fight. and I thought "Oh I guess this character isnt as strong as zoro and luffy"
     
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    Before the timeskip you could for sure make arguements that Sanji was Equal or neigh Equal to Zoro. After the timeskip you just look silly if you do.

    Sanji only lost to Gin because he was hurt from pearl.

    Anyway i agree Zoro>Sanji(preskip as well). Its just increased since the timeskip
     
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    Don't make excuses for Sanji being disadvantaged. Gin was in equally bad shape aswell so it was even. I can see no situation where Zoro would lose that fight even if he faught gin right after fightinng mihawk and getting that giant gash across his chest he still could beat Gin.
     
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  28. Atem 'Sup?

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    I really don't get it. Your logic is that Sanji can be never stronger than Zoro.

    Why do you regard RS as a proper PU but not Ashura/or whatever Zoro's strongest technique is post time skip.

    Do you also think Non-ashura-Zoro beats DJ Sanji? (PreTS)

    Hypothetically, if Sanji would receive another PU now, according to your logic it would mean:

    You disregard Sanji's strength with an eventual PU like the RS. It isn't set in stone he'll use it, you know? Him using it has the same possibility as Zoro pulling out PostTS-Ashura.

    While I do beleibe that All-out-Zoro > All-out-Sanji, in any moment of the story.
     
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    1. Gin wasn't in equally bad shape. Read it again.
    2. What you see and reality are 2 different things. I guess you also never expected for Zoro get overwhelmed by Carrot, him losing to the Yeti cool brothers, him not being able to free himself from chains in FI, him not being able to cut the birdcage, etc...
     
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    Overwhelmed!?!?!?!?!?!:rotfl:rotfl
    Zoro and Carrot clashed for literally 1 seccond how did he get overwhelmed just because she ambushed him and he didnt expect her to be so agile or jump so high?
    The Yeti cool brother didn't even fight them...
    Fujitora was an admiral and even he couldnt break the birdcage so I wouldnt expect Zoro to be able to.

    But Zoro has been in several fights throughout the series after having suffered ridiculous levels of damage. He beat all the fishman pirates while still having a huge open gash across his chest from Mihawk. If you put Zoro in the exact same situation and gave him broken ribs, he'd still win because it's what Zoro does. Especially to another weapons user, Zoro's swordskill undoubtley outclasses gins. I'm pretty sure Zoro could have beaten Don Kreig himself, let alone his henchman.
     
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